Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yes and answers to all the questions we never get an answer to to try and make some sense of the nonsense.

I'd go as far as saying he owes it to the fans and would get more respect for facing people, there's no repercussions for anyone at this club, they can just get on and do whatever they want and nothing will ever happen, quite sad really and for every possible action someone comes up with a reason not to do it, so basically people are just accept nothing can be done, so they have to put up and shut up, sad state of affairs because that doesn't have to be the case.

Every problem has a solution at the end of the day and you'll never know if it works unless you try, that suggestion of boycotting would be very bad press for the club, I understand many have already paid but bad press still affects you in other ways, sponsorship deals etc as nobody wants to be associated with a team with a negative outlook.

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Again I don't get what you're after

Rightly or wrongly (and in most ways rightly) you already believe in your own head that this has been the result of sheer incompetence, hubris and complacency. The evidence tends to point to that, so what on earth do you expect to hear from Wenger? Do you honestly believe he's going to accept that assessment and not try to spin his way out of it?.

It seems to me you're more looking for a figurative punchbag for your own frustrations

I don't give a fuck about recriminations. I just want him to go. Anything else is unnecessary

And yeah I'd like Gazidis, Keswick and others to follow him once the dust has settled.

There's no explanation any of them will give you that's not self serving. They haven't done anything criminal, or wasted public money......therefore this public tribunal you seem to want seems utterly pointless.

And maybe in principle someone from the club should speak to fans but Gazidis?

The guy is an utter spin merchant. There's nothing he could say that id be prepared to believe.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Chelsea got a top manager in because they are a billionaire club

No your nonsense is shaped by your hatred of Wenger. Your argument is based on supposition of what would happen when Wenger goes. It's not likely to be a clean amicable break so its incredibly unlikely he will be retained in any capacity or have a hand in naming a successor.

A club with our infrastructure could absolutely take it in commercially in a way that we aren't at the moment because of Wenger. Media stories about us are ephemeral and the same stories have been written about United, Chelsea and Liverpool in the recent past.

You go on about other fans thinking the club didn't exist before Wenger, yet you show evidence of that yourself when you call him one of the worst managers we've ever had. A statement which shows a shocking lack of knowledge about the clubs history.

We are a big club acting like a mid table club with our current mentality. And that has to change.

Wenger is eroding everything good he's achieved and should have gone in 2014.

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Not at all any big club can, we could easily.

Not at all, I don't like Wenger (for obvious reasons, which most people are starting to see now) there's nothing to like about him in a football sense.

Wenger didn't build this club, he's been here 20 years (13 of this rubbish) and won some trophies, trouble is he stopped winning, changed everything about the club and turned the football into this rubbish we have to watch every week, he's not even competitive anymore and hasn't been for years, the way the club is now is horrendous, like I said barely a football club. The 1st 7 years of his career cannot erase the following 13 years of misery, I'd say the 13 years can erase the 7 years however, 2/3 of his time here has been littered with failure.

I do think he is one of the worst managers we ever had, everything considered, at no point has this club been so disconnected from the fans, they've made it clear they don't care and won't listen to a thing, they've made it clear losing is success and yes that is 100% down to Wenger he's turned us into a bunch of losers, at least before we aimed for success, now we aim for being 2nd rate, that's what's shocking!

We're a 2nd tier club now in every way but financially, but comercially we're less attractive than many of the other top clubs due to our losers mentality, non brand wants to be paying through the nose to be associated with a bunch of losers.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Again I don't get what you're after

Rightly or wrongly (and in most ways rightly) you already believe in your own head that this has been the result of sheer incompetence, hubris and complacency. The evidence tends to point to that, so what on earth do you expect to hear from Wenger? Do you honestly believe he's going to accept that assessment and not try to spin his way out of it?.

It seems to me you're more looking for a figurative punchbag for your own frustrations

I don't give a fuck about recriminations. I just want him to go. Anything else is unnecessary

And yeah I'd like Gazidis, Keswick and others to follow him once the dust has settled.

There's no explanation any of them will give you that's not self serving. They haven't done anything criminal, or wasted public money......therefore this public tribunal you seem to want seems utterly pointless.

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He's not leaving, probably won't leave in 2 years time either, reckon he'll sign another contract then, the only way that will change is an empty stadium. That can be achieved but some people genuinely believe that others will fill their seats, didn't happen last season when some fans decided to stay away as a protest, granted it wasn't a huge amount of people, but if people did this on a mass scale you can bet your bottom dollar the club would take note.

Will never happen though, too many people believe other people will take their place, considering this club wins nothing of note, I doubt it.

The club in terms of potential is far, far bigger than it was when he took over.

The club has performed far, far more consistently in terms of league positioning and trophy acquisition since he took over. He's an absolute dinosaur. But football is a global brand and times have changed and that disconnection between fans and the club exists everywhere in top tier football.

Chelsea are a billionaire club and thus can get in a top manager after finishing in mid table, I'm not sure that's true of Arsenal. And if we fall that far, than the club and the manager has truly fucked us over but until then.

He's stayed too long, been allowed to exist in a bubble and buy into his own hype. A situation which has been left unchecked for so long it's brought us to this and will get worse if not dealt with soon.

But this club did need the stability Wenger brought when we moved to a new stadium, it wasn't exciting for fans. The big problem is we've come out the other side and the club has decided it owes eternal gratitude to this man in an ever changing football landscape.

The expectations you have that have been shat on are a result of Wenger managing this club whether you want to accept it or not. Did he do it single handedly? No it was him and Dein and Friar and Fiszman and Edelman working as a team.

That team has all gone and Wenger has absurdly taken it all on himself, whilst paper tigers like Gazidis give empty platitudes to the fans.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

And maybe in principle someone from the club should speak to fans but Gazidis?

The guy is an utter spin merchant. There's nothing he could say that id be prepared to believe.

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Gazidis has about as much authority as you or me when it comes to making decisions at Arsenal, I don't even know why he is there.

One of the major problems when a club is in decline as we undoubtedly are , is that fans of the future will tend to follow those clubs that are successful and thus over a period of time the fan base is eroded.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He's not leaving, probably won't leave in 2 years time either, reckon he'll sign another contract then, the only way that will change is an empty stadium. That can be achieved but some people genuinely believe that others will fill their seats, didn't happen last season when some fans decided to stay away as a protest, granted it wasn't a huge amount of people, but if people did this on a mass scale you can bet your bottom dollar the club would take note.

Will never happen though, too many people believe other people will take their place, considering this club wins nothing of note, I doubt it.

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A club that still relies on corporate sponsorship of its brand both here and globally won't long put up with a stadium in revolt week in, week out. The protests against Wenger have got bigger and louder in the past two-three years. Whilst fans didn't want him hounded out last season, most did not want him to stay....and if the types of result that we saw at Anfield carry on they will lose sympathy.
Despite the banners and the protests things didn't properly turn last season....it's on the trajectory to. No manager no matter what the club can survive a fan base fully turning.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Chelsea got a top manager in because they are a billionaire club

No your nonsense is shaped by your hatred of Wenger. Your argument is based on supposition of what would happen when Wenger goes. It's not likely to be a clean amicable break so its incredibly unlikely he will be retained in any capacity or have a hand in naming a successor.

A club with our infrastructure could absolutely take it in commercially in a way that we aren't at the moment because of Wenger. Media stories about us are ephemeral and the same stories have been written about United, Chelsea and Liverpool in the recent past.

You go on about other fans thinking the club didn't exist before Wenger, yet you show evidence of that yourself when you call him one of the worst managers we've ever had. A statement which shows a shocking lack of knowledge about the clubs history.

We are a big club acting like a mid table club with our current mentality. And that has to change.

Wenger is eroding everything good he's achieved and should have gone in 2014.

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Wenger's destroying his legacy with every passing day he remains at the club but let's not be churlish about revising history to ignore all the good he's done in the past for the club - he's essentially built the modern day Arsenal, a financially successful mega club with a global fanbase.


I know like everyone else you're upset with Wenger especially after Sunday and want him gone Zim, but don't let your longstanding hateboner for him cause you to make ridiculous points.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

And maybe in principle someone from the club should speak to fans but Gazidis?

The guy is an utter spin merchant. There's nothing he could say that id be prepared to believe.

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To Ivan’s credit, he’s gone on AFTV and spoken with Robbie, he’s met with Le Grove and spoken to the people there too. He often takes the tough questions at the AST meetings and laid to rest some myths about our finances and budget. I’ve been reading Le Grove for years and criticism about our structure on how far behind we are as a modern club, our poor injury record, needing to upgrade the staff, needing to invest in new technology….structural changes have started to happen around the club. They’re just not utilised well. This is why I give some sort of credit to Gazidis. But I’ve seen and heard the criticism about how outdated we are, especially on Le Grove, and something has been done about it. It’s not just empty words.

But unfortunately, he can’t give the final decision on Wenger. I think we’ve seen how far his influence has stretched. It would be easy to just ignore the Le Grove and AFTV’s but there is some sort of engagement and follow up action after. It's not all spin.