Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

I don't know I just think he's all talk. If you take the things he's come out with and weigh it against what happens. It's all pure PR, as soon as fans talk to Gazidis they think "it's ok this guy has our back". Only for the same shit to happen again. Now even if I accept he's totally powerless to prevent it, how much money is your self respect worth to come out with the obsequious nonsense he did after his catalyst for change remarks were shown to be a load of insubstantial guff.

He's not stupid not by any means, I think he knows how to beguile people. But after a while of this you have to say "don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining"

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

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Wenger's destroying his legacy with every passing day he remains at the club but let's not be churlish about revising history to ignore all the good he's done in the past for the club - he's essentially built the modern day Arsenal, a financially successful mega club with a global fanbase.


I know like everyone else you're upset with Wenger especially after Sunday and want him gone Zim, but don't let your longstanding hateboner for him cause you to make ridiculous points.

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Arsenal fans built the modern day club. As did chav fans. As did Liverpudlians. And did Mancs.

The fans built these clubs through the tsunami of inflation, the slavishly devoted merchandising, the monthly subscriptions and the continued interest in an age where attention spans measure seconds and fashions are outdated the day after.

Yes. Vampires swept in to capitalise and orgainise for their own benefit. They added the razzmatazz and the spinning graphics and the wall to wall coverage, the controversy and the endless supply of hooks and bait to keep the engagement at a fever pitch.

But let's never pretend these cunts ever invested a penny of their own money and let's never pretend any of the cunts care a jot about the clubs they sponge off. With a very, very few exceptions, including the much maligned but now, I think, better understood Abramovich - who is still trash, of course. Except not as trashy as cunts like Kroenke or Gazidis or the biggest cunt of them all, Wenger. Wenger. The icon of principle who sold it all for the corporate vision. The worst of the worst, the lowest of the lowest. Fucking, fucking cunt of a bloke.

But they are nothing without the fans. Whatever they imagine. Get rid of the fans and see what they have. Hence their hype, hence their lies, hence their empty promises. Squeeze and suck and bleed everything that has a pulse. That's what these "built the modern game" cunt leeches are.

WE built the fucking modern game. Much to our shame. But credit where credit is due and no credit to those who don't deserve an ounce of it. Fuck them.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I don't know I just think he's all talk. If you take the things he's come out with and weigh it against what happens. It's all pure PR, as soon as fans talk to Gazidis they think "it's ok this guy has our back". Only for the same shit to happen again. Now even if I accept he's totally powerless to prevent it, how much money is your self respect worth to come out with the obsequious nonsense he did after his catalyst for change remarks were shown to be a load of insubstantial guff.

He's not stupid not by any means, I think he knows how to beguile people. But after a while of this you have to say "don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining"

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But what are you weighing up in terms of words and actions? You also have to be savvy enough to know he's not going to throw his employers under the bus when speaking to fans. But let's look at the changes.

1 - Before Ivan and when we were reliant on Wenger to speak, he was coy about our finances and allude to us ending up like Leeds Utd despite war chest stories.

- Since Ivan has started speaking nobody believes we're close to going broke and we have way more clarity about what we can afford. All talk of us having to pay off the stadium is dead.

2 - Our injury record. Everyone complained and wondered what was going on. Le Grove would pull the stats on how many injuries we'd get and publish them on the site.

- We've recently employed Darren Burgess as well as Shad Forsythe.

3 - Plenty of complaints about our scouts and not finding the right players.

- New scouts appointed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...olo-Kante.html

4 - Contract talks taking too long.

- New lawyers added to team.

We've already have a conversation about Andries Jonker who was appointed as head of the youth academy. I remember Le Grove saying when we first appointed this guy that this could have been Ivan's power play and Wenger's successor. He's not far off considering Jonker is now manager of Wolfsburg. Also, considering the fact that Jonker had Ljunberg as his assistant and wanted Henry as a coach too, that looked like a team for a potential coup. But we know how that went. Jonker was undermined and Henry wasn't allowed to join the set up. But this is all just a theory. But it doesn't change the fact that we've tried to add more footballers to our set up. Jens Lehman is the latest installment and we'll see how that works out. But that has to come from Ivan and Le Grove has torn the backroom staff to shreds in some of his posts.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Gazidis has about as much authority as you or me when it comes to making decisions at Arsenal, I don't even know why he is there.

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tbf, it's usually a redeeming sign when you end up with no authority. Or the signature of a eunuch, one or the other. What is Gazidis? If the former, at least he's tried to get off his knees. If the latter, well he's one of many - it's normal.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

But what are you weighing up in terms of words and actions? You also have to be savvy enough to know he's not going to throw his employers under the bus when speaking to fans. But let's look at the changes.

1 - Before Ivan and when we were reliant on Wenger to speak, he was coy about our finances and allude to us ending up like Leeds Utd despite war chest stories.

- Since Ivan has started speaking nobody believes we're close to going broke and we have way more clarity about what we can afford. All talk of us having to pay off the stadium is dead.

2 - Our injury record. Everyone complained and wondered what was going on. Le Grove would pull the stats on how many injuries we'd get and publish them on the site.

- We've recently employed Darren Burgess as well as Shad Forsythe.

3 - Plenty of complaints about our scouts and not finding the right players.

- New scouts appointed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...olo-Kante.html

4 - Contract talks taking too long.

- New lawyers added to team.

We've already have a conversation about Andries Jonker who was appointed as head of the youth academy. I remember Le Grove saying when we first appointed this guy that this could have been Ivan's power play and Wenger's successor. He's not far off considering Jonker is now manager of Wolfsburg. Also, considering the fact that Jonker had Ljunberg as his assistant and wanted Henry as a coach too, that looked like a team for a potential coup. But we know how that went. Jonker was undermined and Henry wasn't allowed to join the set up. But this is all just a theory. But it doesn't change the fact that we've tried to add more footballers to our set up. Jens Lehman is the latest installment and we'll see how that works out. But that has to come from Ivan and Le Grove has torn the backroom staff to shreds in some of his posts.

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I'm sorry but if Shad Forsythe and Jonker are all you have your sleeve to suggest this guy is a genius operator that's being constrained by the machinations of the Wenger and Kroenke bromance you've all your work ahead of you.

In 2014, it would have been clear to Harvey Price that we needed to address what was going on with us with injuries let alone an average CEO

Same with a youth team that clearly wasn't producing anywhere near the kind of potential it had been.

No one is suggesting Gazidis would have been throwing his bosses under the bus by being a bit circumspect with his statements but it seems abundantly clear to me that he was making a lot of grandiose promises one moment and even as you've suggested yourself completely contradicting himself the next moment with the kind of warnings George Osbourne used to make about us turning into Greece.

Now actually that statement was directly contradicted by Wenger a few days later who said he was being alarmist. So it's not just like he's towing the party line either.

I think unfortunately the business world is full of people who talk a good game, but when it comes down to brass tacks they are gimps.

In conclusion though we aren't going to agree on this. I think Gazidis is largely a waste of space. However I would add as a caveat that if Wengers departure is hastened by results on the pitch, he may get ample opportunity to prove me wrong because as I've said the responsibility to bring in a new guy and a new management structure will fall squarely on him.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

tbf, it's usually a redeeming sign when you end up with no authority. Or the signature of a eunuch, one or the other. What is Gazidis? If the former, at least he's tried to get off his knees. If the latter, well he's one of many - it's normal.

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I would say he's more of a gimp than a eunuch.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I'm sorry but if Shad Forsythe and Jonker are all you have your sleeve to suggest this guy is a genius operator that's being constrained by the machinations of the Wenger and Kroenke bromance you've all your work ahead of you.

In 2014, it would have been clear to Harvey Price that we needed to address what was going on with us with injuries let alone an average CEO

Same with a youth team that clearly wasn't producing anywhere near the kind of potential it had been.

No one is suggesting Gazidis would have been throwing his bosses under the boss by being a bit circumspect with his statements but it seems abundantly clear to me that he was making a lot of grandiose promises one moment and even as you've suggested yourself completely contradicting himself the next moment with the kind of warnings George Osbourne used to make about us turning into Greece.

Now actually that statement was directly contradicted by Wenger a few days later who said he was being alarmist. So it's not just like he's towing the party line either.

I think unfortunately the business world is full of people who talk a good game, but when it comes down to brass tacks they are gimps.

In conclusion though we aren't going to agree on this. I think Gazidis is largely a waste of space. However I would add as a caveat that if Wengers departure is hastened by results on the pitch, he may get ample opportunity to prove me wrong because as I've said the responsibility to bring in a new guy and a new management structure will fall squarely on him.

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And yet, there's NO FUCKING WAY that 92 mill bid was made by Wenger yesterday. No fucking way. That's not to say it was a good bid. 92 mill for a 50 mill player, GTFO. But there are two chains of command in the club right now, that much is evident. One is the normal working of any corporation, the other is Wenger crying to Stan.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yes I think our squad is bang average bar a few players, defence is rubbish, midfield is lacking in areas, up front happier now we have Lacazette, no captains or leaders on top of that.

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Agree about the captain situation and the defence is certainly dodgy but overall, they're not average are they? Average in what way? They're one of the best squads in the country. You say "5th is nowhere" but is it where an "average" squad would finish? especially with a manager who doesn't seem to be getting the best out of them. And the season before that they finished 2nd. This squad is not perfect but it is not average in relation to the league we play in.

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We're a big club, for a big club like us to get relegated takes an absolute disaster to be honest

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Agreed, but after the Liverpool debacle you said:

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everything about [the club] is a disaster, the transfers, the contracts, the injuries, the style of football, the quality of the squad, the tactics, youth team, the results, the manager.

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And yet last season was the first year we finished outside the top 4 under Wenger and 3 of the last 4 years we've won a trophy. There's a lot wrong at Arsenal but you always exaggerate. :shrug:

5th IS failure for a club or our size...although some would say we're only at that size and have that level of expectation because of Wenger. Not me, obviously :d

As I said elsewhere at more length, the problem with Wenger is that when he came in he was revolutionary and raised us to a level I'd never thought I'd see Arsenal be at. But you can't stay revolutionary, if you stay still while others catch up and surpass you then you start to look like a has been. But revisionism about the early days is like saying Paul McCartney didn't write any good Beatles songs because you hate The Frog Song.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

I know like everyone else you're upset with Wenger especially after Sunday and want him gone Zim, but don't let your longstanding hateboner for him cause you to make ridiculous points.

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And for Zim to say it's been 7 years good and 13 years bad is a ridiculous over-simplification.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Arsenal fans built the modern day club. As did chav fans. As did Liverpudlians. And did Mancs.

The fans built these clubs through the tsunami of inflation, the slavishly devoted merchandising, the monthly subscriptions and the continued interest in an age where attention spans measure seconds and fashions are outdated the day after.

Yes. Vampires swept in to capitalise and orgainise for their own benefit. They added the razzmatazz and the spinning graphics and the wall to wall coverage, the controversy and the endless supply of hooks and bait to keep the engagement at a fever pitch.

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And a good chunk of the current fanbase (especially overseas) who pump money into the club, started supporting the club due the success brought by Wenger in the late 90's/early 00's.

Without the success he generated then, it wouldn't have been as easy to modernise the club (new training ground, stadium etc), improve our global reputation & appeal and to consequently attract large corporate sponsors.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

But let's never pretend these cunts ever invested a penny of their own money and let's never pretend any of the cunts care a jot about the clubs they sponge off. With a very, very few exceptions, including the much maligned but now, I think, better understood Abramovich - who is still trash, of course. Except not as trashy as cunts like Kroenke or Gazidis or the biggest cunt of them all, Wenger. Wenger. The icon of principle who sold it all for the corporate vision. The worst of the worst, the lowest of the lowest. Fucking, fucking cunt of a bloke.

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I imagine this will evoke howls of fury & derision from you but I genuinely believe that unlike a shithead like Kroenke, Wenger does passionately love the club. Even right now.

It's more that he's deluded himself into believing that he still has capabilities & knowhow to fix the problems and to make Arsenal great again (tm). #MAGA And with no authority figure to keep him in check at the club tell him otherwise he'll continue to believe that. He's a fool, but at least he's an honest fool.

I mean if he really didn't care it would be incredibly easy for him to walk away. It's clear he's not in it for the money - I mean he's already earned more money then he'd be capable of spending in the years he has left alive and he doesn't have any financial dependents to provide for. He suffers barrages of abuse and ridicule from the fans and the media and still puts up with daily and comes into work every day because he feels he can still do the job.