Match reacton thread Vs Swansea

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Originally Posted by GB.

Spot on.

You had one too many birthday drinkies? :lol:

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Originally Posted by Letters

What I said was perfectly legitimate, Wenger's making some baffling decisions but internet forums isn't where he should be looking for 'advice'.

Grass is green.

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Originally Posted by Letters

You had one too many birthday drinkies? :lol:

Read his post carefully

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Originally Posted by Ach

Read his post carefully

I'm surprised he can read at all.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Read his post carefully

Oh yeah. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Syn

Grass is green.

You say that but a few people on here seem to genuinely think they know better than Wenger how the club should be run.

lolz, frankly.

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Originally Posted by Letters

You say that but a few people on here seem to genuinely think they know better than Wenger how the club should be run.

lolz, frankly.

Well it's a fucking internet forum, Letters. Unless you expect people to put 'IMO' after every post, they're just posting what they think the manager should do. And quite frankly, I reckon I could do a better job than Wenger in a few respects. Not in most aspects, but a few certainly. And that's why people are criticising the way the club is run and the manager's non-existent tactics. I certainly wouldn't wait until 70 mins before making a substitution every game and I certainly wouldn't make the same pointless and predictable 'Arshavin on, Ramsey off' substitution every game, for example.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I'm not saying the game ends with the players being able to kick a ball. But I think they ought to be able to do that before getting into the more complicated stuff. It's unreal how poor we are in the final third this season.

You give Theo the ball in acres of space on the flank and he doesn't need to dribble or beat anyone. But when he has time and space he still can't deliver. You talk about trying him in the central role, but on the few occasions he's played there, mostly for England, he's looked hopelessly out of his depth and his movement is predictable and unintelligent. Yes I know he scored that hat-trick. Maybe it would have been better for him if he never had. Players like RvP, Aguero and still Henry by the look of it have the smarts to find the space, to offer themselves to the midfielder or wide man trying to feed the ball through. You watch Chamakh and Walcott in the box. If there's a wrong place and a wrong time they'll find it.

As for Arshavin, if he can't be bothered doing the leg work on the flank then why is he going to run twice as hard behind the main striker? We could try it I suppose. How many games of him doing nothing would it take to call it a bust? Nobody is judging these guys on a few performances. It's over seasons now, they just haven't been performing at a level that's going to move the team beyond the ordinary we've seen over and over. They are random, inconsistent, unconvincing, they quit, they become anonymous in games. Now and again they pull something out of the bag that reminds us there's talent there but that just makes it all the more frustrating. Saying they are playing out of position doesn't explain their lack of character on the pitch. Unless you think they are sulking, in which case they should get the fuck out anyway.

What I'd like is for the board and the manager to get together in the summer and bring some proper talent in to help the handful of decent players we have. And I'd like to see plenty of players shipped out in that process. But I honestly don't think that's going to happen (apart from players being shipped out, the decent ones anyway). Transfer profits have been squirrelled away for how many years now? Time to put something back in because our quality has dropped well below the danger level.

I'm not against mixing things up a bit in the meantime but with players like Walcott, Chamakh, Arshavin and increasingly Gervinho (although it's his first season so maybe judgement is reserved) I just don't see it making much difference. And we also have players like Wilshere who was run into the ground, now the same thing is happening to Ramsey. We're short of decent players. We all know it and somebody needs to do something about it.

It'll be crazy if we don't get a striker in this window to help RvP out. Even a journeyman, anyone who knows how to do the basics, has a bit of experience and could nick a few goals. Then ship Theo and Arshavin out in the summer and get decent replacements. I know both of these guys provide assists, but they also fuck it up at a rate of 5-1 and that's why we've been throwing the points away again this season. Not because Theo is playing out of position, but because he's just not that great a player.

The real problems may still be ahead. Statistically RvP is unlikely to go the full season uninjured. What the fuck are we going to do if we lose him? Then we'll have to call on Theo or Arshavin or Chamakh or Park. The fact I have more faith in Park (which is close to none at all), a guy that hasn't played so far says it all really.

Theo and Arshavin play important roles but it's not why we're losing games. Poor defending and losing control of the middle of the park has cost us dearly. The centre and defence are real problem areas. See, Arshavin and Theo can have performances like that did against Swansea for the majority of the game, but the one moment they get right that leads to goals should be enough to get us all three points if we can defend the lead.

In the final third we are poor because we have Gervinho, Walcott or Ramsey always finding themselves in the position to deliver but they fail because they don't have the skill for it. Play someone in that position that can can deliver and he'll make the right choice and excute the right sort of pass. There is a reason why Song bombs forward so often. When he gets into that position he can delivery. Not all the time but at a more consistent rate than the other bozos I mentioned. BUT, he's a defensive midfielder and how often can be get into those positions?

It's the same for Walcott and Arshavin. How many times will we see situations where Walcott gets a ball player into space and he's playing off the shoulder of a defender. How many times do we get to see Arshavin drift into a more central position to play in a nice through ball? Playing from the left means he needs to drift in and that means leaving the left back exposed and Miquel was exposed badly the other day. If we're bad in the final third then we should be looking to get our better passers into position where they can be more influential. Arshavin would be more effective in the centre and wing play is more demanding than a central role behind the striker. Well, stamina wise.

Wenger has played these guys in the same position for years and it hasn't worked. He should try something else or bench them and that's his call to make. That's why a lay a lot of the blame on him. We're not coaches over here but we watch enough of our team and know enough to see that where they are playing isn't working. He didn't have to start them either. Ox or Henry could have played and that's why I'm going to lay a lot of the blame on him. It's been 7 years now. He picks the teams and plays them there. He chose to buy Gervinho. You mentioned Sessegnon you the other day and I've been a fan of his since seeing him play in the Emirates cup. Wenger must have known about that guy but he chose to stick with what we have. That guy wouldn't have cost millions in transfer fee or wages.

I just can't excuse Wenger for these sort of decisions. We've been through many different players and this is like his 5th team since the invincibles. It's the same trademark in every team. We lost against newly promoted Hull on one season and I can't remember which team it was but I remember Toure getting done over by some newly promoted team as well. That was 5 or 6 years ago and the team has had a face lift and Botox since then. But it's the same shit. Same problems and you have to start looking at the constants.

We've had these problems before Theo and Arshavin arrived and if I remember correctly it's been around this sort of time we've been struggling in the league and had to buy both players just to help us qualify for a Champs League spot. It's Wenger.

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Originally Posted by Letters

You say that but a few people on here seem to genuinely think they know better than Wenger how the club should be run.

lolz, frankly.

Piss off and stop being a WUM. You're one of the worst culprits and always manage to drag a conversation down with shitty remarks and digs at posters. The whole concept of a forum always seems to allude and you're always trying stifle conversation on here. If it's not your cup of tea, then don't get involved. You can cringe from the sidelines and stay quiet.

I semi-concur. Letters' WUM rate in AFC debate is approaching prolific. Not quite at my level but it's getting there. Pre-wedding jitters are getting to him. He should do the honourable thing and step down. GW is generally quite well behaved these days and there's not much need for so many mods. And Letters' comments are the ones that need to be moderated. He's taken us as far as he can tbh. In sharp decline and it's time for a change at the top.