Match Reaction vs Bayern Munich (home)

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

No, I'm just agreeing with the statement that we're a bigger club than what most people think.

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And can you explain exactly why you think that without mentioning money?

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Originally Posted by Özim

Wenger has in a way brainwashed people into his way of thinking.

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:lol: Pretty sure he was on the grassy knoll too..

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Originally Posted by Özim

I think our squad is overpaid for the quality, but that's because Wenger spends on the wrong players, our squad is inbalanced anyway, I'd much rather have a smaller squad with better players.

Not strictly true, we're owned by two billionairs, trouble is one of them at least is in it for the profit and nothing else, but we can afford to be like Chelsea and all the other clubs, Usmanov is actually richer than Abrahmovic but he can't get a look in.

Again though that's our choice, but Chelsea and co haven't been spending as much as before, the problem is not the money IMO, it's who we sign, every summer we tend to leave it late and end up with relative nobodies when better players were available at prices we can afford before that, that's our fault not the fact Chelsea and City can spend.

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Ok let's try and make this simple can Chelsea, City and United spend on two or three players of 50-60 million value per season?

And can we?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Ok let's try and make this simple can Chelsea, City and United spend on two or three players of 50-60 million value per season?

And can we?

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Yes

Yes, but we choose not to.

If you asked me will we, then no.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yes

Yes, but we choose not to.

If you asked me will we, then no.

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Ok i just wanted that on record:rolleyes:

But i don't want to be unfair so will give you another go

Are you able to expand upon "but we choose not to", are you referring to the self-sustaining model where the two billionaire share holders aren't putting the money in or are you talking about the money we have whilst being self-sustaining?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

And can you explain exactly why you think that without mentioning money?

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Being one of the most popular clubs around the world, the players we attract, our history, the stadium….but to get into that still misses the point. The conversation started around comparing a mentality and not wallets. But even if you want to go down that path, reports keep saying we’re richer than the current league leaders, the last Champions and let’s not forget, Chelsea were title winners the season before that. On wages, it doesn’t look like there is a huge gap between us either. But again, it all come back to needing a shift in mentality.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Ok i just wanted that on record:rolleyes:

But i don't want to be unfair so will give you another go

Are you able to expand upon "but we choose not to", are you referring to the self-sustaining model where the two billionaire share holders aren't putting the money in or are you talking about the money we have whilst being self-sustaining?

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Yes sure, we choose not to because we have adopted a self sustaining model, whilst this is good I guess it also suits the agenda of the people in charge, however sometimes you have to speculate to accummulate and spend a bit more to make more, considering we have two billionaire owners, this would be a drop in the ocean for them that they could recoup later anyway.

We won't spend because Kroenke has no interest in football and only sees us as a business nothing more, we'd be far better served with someone in charge who enjoys football like Abrahmovic, because he wants to see his club succeed and understands what it takes, he also probably realises success on the pitch translates to success off it, as demonstrated by Manchester United.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Being one of the most popular clubs around the world, the players we attract, our history, the stadium….but to get into that still misses the point. The conversation started around comparing a mentality and not wallets. But even if you want to go down that path, reports keep saying we’re richer than the current league leaders, the last Champions and let’s not forget, Chelsea were title winners the season before that. On wages, it doesn’t look like there is a huge gap between us either. But again, it all come back to needing a shift in mentality.

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Richer as defined by Outgoings minus Generated Income certainly we are richer than Chelsea

Richer as defined by they can spend 150-200million on transfers per season every season than they are far richer than us.

I agree totally with Mentality, but it will only get you so far. I would argue that Diego Simeone has instilled the best mentality in the world into the players of Atletico Madrid and it allowed them to defy the odds and win la liga in 2014, but ultimately they will fall short more often than not because clubs will come in for their best players and Barcelona and Real Madrid can vastly outspend them.

Bayern Munich for sure have a winner's mentality but they also have the attraction of being FC Hollywood the most prestigious club in Germany and can vastly outspend any club in Germany to bring the best players of their rivals to the club, thus how it has always been with them.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yes sure, we choose not to because we have adopted a self sustaining model, whilst this is good I guess it also suits the agenda of the people in charge, however sometimes you have to speculate to accummulate and spend a bit more to make more, considering we have two billionaire owners, this would be a drop in the ocean for them that they could recoup later anyway.

We won't spend because Kroenke has no interest in football and only sees us as a business nothing more, we'd be far better served with someone in charge who enjoys football like Abrahmovic, because he wants to see his club succeed and understands what it takes, he also probably realises success on the pitch translates to success off it, as demonstrated by Manchester United.

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Ok that's fine....but as long as you acknowledge that the self-sustaining model is not going to change, and Kroenke is going nowhere.....that Chelsea, City and United can spend on two-three 50-60 million value players a season and we cannot.

It may be unfair when we have two billionaire share holders, but it's also a fact.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Richer as defined by Outgoings minus Generated Income certainly we are richer than Chelsea

Richer as defined by they can spend 150-200million on transfers per season every season than they are far richer than us.

I agree totally with Mentality, but it will only get you so far. I would argue that Diego Simeone has instilled the best mentality in the world into the players of Atletico Madrid and it allowed them to defy the odds and win la liga in 2014, but ultimately they will fall short more often than not because clubs will come in for their best players and Barcelona and Real Madrid can vastly outspend them.

Bayern Munich for sure have a winner's mentality but they also have the attraction of being FC Hollywood the most prestigious club in Germany and can vastly outspend any club in Germany to bring the best players of their rivals to the club, thus how it has always been with them.

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We've spent more than Chelsea in this transfer window. We spent more than them last season and the season before that!

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premi...ern=0&intern=1

They haven't spent £150m -£200m in a while. Most teams haven't. But if we're able to sustain spending a similar amount to what we've spent this year or the seasons before, we're in good shape. It's an argument that needs to be thrown out the window.