my favourite quote was "suarez could play in the Champions league sooner at LFC then AFC"
we play in the champions league in about two weeks, if liverpool beat that, thats impressive
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my favourite quote was "suarez could play in the Champions league sooner at LFC then AFC"
we play in the champions league in about two weeks, if liverpool beat that, thats impressive
We play in a qualifier not the champs leg. But yeah still pretty odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Of course it was inserted to get him to sign the deal. And you can't say "no one would pay it" given this was sorted out a year ago. Nobody is paying it now, but that can't be known then, and him biting someone has a negative effect on his worth. Napoli probably thought that with Cavani too (and no I'm not comparing them, just the numbers that each club may have though would never be matched). Either way, that was me making stuff up. What is just as likely is that Rodgers said he would think about selling him if we didn't make CL [or would sell him, whatever this pwomise was], Suarez had the clause inserted saying he needed to be informed of any bid and given what Rodgers had said put 2+2 together thought that was enough. Again, me making stuff up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
And indeed they are all idiots. But I'm not sure his representatives would be. Book smart and academic, maybe not. Manipulative greedy fucks? Undoubtedly. Make no mistake he'll be the one pulling the strings behind all of this. Suarez does want to leave, but as you say, he's an idiot. He will need someone to tell him what to do to make that happen, and since he didn't get the reaction he would have wanted the other day ie: booed, he has to find some other way to force a wedge between player and club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
And the thing is, you can all laugh at us now, and I don't blame you all for doing so. But he'll do the same to you soon enough.
i know, that's why i said incoming players ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Why do people keep saying this? Just becuase Cavani and Suarez are Uruguayan?Quote:
"Suarez is better than Cavani so we should get at least £55m"
It's bloddy stupid. Cavani's goal record is off the charts compared to Suarez's. Napoli finished 2nd and are in the Champs Lge so are in a much better position than Liverpool. And the most important thing.... only one club bid £55m for Cavani and they don't need/want Suarez as well.
Bloody stupid.
The market dictates the price, not Rodgers or anyone else. If Suarez is sold for £40m then that's what he's worth.
How long is it going to be before someone points out to these morans that Cavani had his buyout clause met by PSG?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
I'll still watch Soccer Saturday though, just can't quit it for some reason.
We've sold our last 4 captains and best players, one of them to Man Utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss
We wouldn't care less if we sold Suarez in a couple of seasons.
We've sold better players than him.
We're just desperate for top class signings and Suarez is quality.
P.S. I don't think any gooner is laughing at you yet because we don't think we'll get him. But if we do get him then I personally am going to laugh my arse off. If any set of supporters deserve to be laughing at fucking over a big club and signing their best player then it's us. Sorry.
Aha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
We're not a big club anymore.
But really, I wouldn't blame you. I'd be doing exactly the same. I would like to reserve the right to hope throughout the season that somebody breaks his bones though.
It'll be nice when we're unified in a mutual hate of him though. Maybe we could do an exchange program with RAWK...
Don't do it to yourself, it just makes it worse. We've been praying for RVP to have his season long injury which is well over due now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss
Just get behind Downing, Henderson and the rest of the lads and see what the season brings you.
if thats your attempt to cheer him up, i dont think its going to work ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Point is, it’s not hard to follow the reverse process. I don’t think we’ve cocked up badly. Liverpool are just playing their hand and I wouldn’t pay too the much attention to the jabs aimed at Arsenal. If backed into a corner they have to play ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Liverpool are banking on foreign clubs bidding. They must be pretty surprised that no foreign clubs have bid for him.
They've been a bit unlucky in the fact that Falcao, Cavani and Neymar have all been available this summer and that Madrid seemingly only have eyes for Bale.
They'd have probably got much more joy from selling him last summer or next summer.
Yep, regardless of how we handled this, they'd be reluctant to sell to us.
we cocked up higuain and pissed off liverpool. it has been nothing short of a shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
No doubt it’s been a shambles but Liverpool were always going to make things difficult for us. They see us as rivals and want that Champs League spot. All the talk about class, the extra penny ‘insult’…whatever. If we’d have bid £41m instead they’d play the same card.
It was a pound god damn you, a pound!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
We didn't cock up Higuain, we decided not to sign him because we've been informed by Suarez's people that he's up for joining us. Suarez is a much better player than Higuain.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Of course when the Suarez deal falls through then everyone will say we should have signed Higuain. It's a difficult one tbh.
Nothing gets past you does it :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
:lol: Change for some Haribo. Not too shabby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
the suarez links accumulated after higuain. we spent nearly 2 whole months on higuain, spoke to his reps, agreed terms with him, spoke to madrid numerous times, and he ended up at napoli. we cocked it up. we could have had a world class player embedded into the team and we could have diverted our attention to a DM or CB with plenty of time left for other targets. this would have had little effect on the team going into the new season. but once again we're going into the new season in tatters, relying on one player to come and relying on negotiations with a club we've already pissed off. Shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
This is correct and this is how any half sane group of people tasked with building a title challenging squad would behave. But the arseholes at our place are incompetent at anything and everything bar building the financial value for shareholders, that's all the cunts do. Ten days until we kick off and then go into potentially tough CL qualifiers and they are still pissing around on a transfer that is 50/50 even in wildly optimistic estimates. Shambles is a very precise description of what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
And by the way, even if we do land Suarez he can't play until October. Astounding incompetence.
1. I don't see how we cocked it up. RM jacked up the price of Higuain and we ultimately thought it made more sense to pay an extra £10m and go for Suarez instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
2. Higuain is not world class. Better than Giroud, sure, better than Suarez? No way.
Ultimately when we don't buy Suarez we're going to be left trying to buy a striker as good as or better than Higuain. If we don't then I guess you can say we cocked it up then.
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Though I don't think Arsene has any serious intentions of buying a DM, I think he would like one but only at a price that meets his "valuation", same applies to a CB. This for me is one of the reasons why we are so slow in the market.
You don't think people are going a bit over the top with Suarez seeing as he's really only had one very good season in England, whereas Higuain has scored a tonne of goals for Madrid consistently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
We should have three new signings in key positions bedded in after a good pre-season and ready for the kick off in 10 days. Instead we have Wenger moaning on about it being tough this year and asking for patience. Patience after 8 years of shite. Nah, I for one am just fucked off now. Enough is enough, this lot aren't fit to run a tap never mind a football club that's supposedly challenging for honours. We'll have to wait till they all fuck off, Wenger included, before anything has a chance of changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Just for once, why couldn't they give the fans, the players, football in general something positive connected to the club rather than the usual comedy material?
Completely agree and not only would we have a world class player integrated in the team and been able to focus on signing other players, but we'd also have a player available from day one of the new season.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Spot on, it's been a joke of a summer even if we get Suarez, where's the planning and logic in this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We've not go anyone integrated into the squad, no players getting use to their surroundings and getting to know their teammates, instead we've put all our efforts into a chase for a troublemaker banned for 6 games who will probably leave in a year or two and who will cost megamoney, very clever.
1. i told you how we cocked it up. we had everything in place then it went tits up, that's cocking it up. as NQ says, there is no systematic plan to our transfers. it was a case of 'bid for him and him, oh and him... oh hang on... he's also available... fuck it back out of them and just go for him'. no thought went into the current squad, the effect it would have on them going into the new season with no new players etc. sure madrid slammed £10m onto the price at the end but there's ways of negotiating around that i.e. instalments, persuasion techniques. you dont just walk away from negotiations when someone revalues a good, you offer to negotiate further. but of the things i read we completely backed out. literally packed our bags and walked away, giving room for other teams like napoli to negotiate and get the player in an instance. its funny how we do the ground work for players then for one 'reason' or another it never works out, only for other teams to swipe in and get them. mata another example, a complete cock up. and why the hell did it take so long to finally negotiate terms? if we done it in a few weeks i doubt madrid would have hiked the price. they saw there was no movement in europe and that every top team needed a striker so thought 'you know what, we'll increase his price because demand + supply warrants it'. they are entitled to do that. if you wrap the deal up early july you dont leave room for the market to dictate terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
2. higuain is world class. they are both world class. you dont have to devalue one to make your argument better. suarez has more to his game but you can't say higuain is not world class. look at his world class record. would i rather have suarez? sure. but id rather have higuain + fellaini than suarez. if we sign suarez we wont sign anyone else, the whole lot is blown.
bang on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Unless Wenger pulls off some Michael Corleone, Godfather finale, taking care of business in one day swoop movement, this summer has been a disaster. It seems as though there has been no planning or strategy involved at all. It's like we have one man and his briefcase taking care of all transfer dealings and can only do one deal at a time. Signing Suarez will amount to nothing if we're hit with injuries that cripple our defence. I'd expect the Suarez deal to be drawn out but it doesn't excuse the lack of movement in other key areas.
1. If we sign Suarez than nothing was cocked up. If we signed Higuain but could have signed Suarez that would have been a cock up.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
2. Higuain is certainly not world class. He's not in the top ten forwards in the world - Suarez is.
If we sign Suarez we still cocked up, one player doesn't make a good summer, we needed 3-4 not one sole signing.
Had we had any decent plans in place we could have easily got them, you can reel off a long list of quality players who would make a difference, trouble is this club is a joke in the transfer market, everything we do is amateur and one marquee signing won't fix that. I also find it ironic that a club with "values" would be interested in one of the worst examples of a footballer around (not talent wise obviously).
In addition what possessed us to think that signing a player who is banned for 6 matches, who would cost 75+ million all in when we've signed noone else would be a good idea?
A single cell amoeba could have come up with better planning and transfer dealings to be honest.
How is he going to cost us £70 million, if as you say he will leave in a year or two? Tone down the hyperbole. :lol:
We're absolutely right to favour Suarez over Higuain, so long as we do see it through. He just does everything better than Higuain, bar clinical finishing probably.
Depends if you'd rather see 1 player come in or 3-4. I favour the latter, it's more logical for a team lacking in quality all over the pitch, you've also got to factor in the fact Suarez will probably end up missing a 3rd of the season suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Well I don't think signing Higuain at what was it, £33 million in the end is neccesarily going to leave us the option of many more players either. Us having to deal with players facing suspensions is hardly anything new!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
We don't usually have to deal with players getting suspended for sh*t like biting someone though or racially abusing them. The biting thing is funny because he did it once, got banned and yet he still did it again.
He must be pretty th*ck to never learn from his mistakes.
As for Higuain maybe, but there have been plenty of players around all summer...why not try our luck with Lewandowski (I know he wants to go to Bayern but you never know) or maybe we could have tried to snap up Yilmaz he's awesome and would be a lot cheaper, or even Huntelaar again.
It's really quite odd how you are becoming Wenger and suggesting we buy the cheaper options because it makes more economic sense.
Suspensions are suspensions, if a player gets sent off twice in a season for violent conduct and a dangerous tackle, that's a seven match ban there. A five match ban if it's violent conduct and two yellow card offenses. You can take it in to consideration as to whether it is worth the risk and I would say, yes it probably is.
Lewandowski won't be sold. Anyway looking at any other striker is a bit of a red herring because it seems obvious to me from the heavy interest in Higuain and Suarez, we're obviously looking for a forward that is comfortable playing in a wider position and has the dribbling ability to go with it (presumably playing Suarez, Giroud and/or Walcott at the same time).
Ah, crap! He's gonna play Suarez on the flanks isn't he? :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Not really no, I never once even suggested we should blow 40-50 million on one player, I just wanted quality a reasonablish price so we can bring a few players in (not the usual unknow sh*t Wenger signs though). The players suggested are quality and would improve the team without blowing the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Suarez is a bit of a headcase though isn't he, the bans he gets are not your average run of the mill 3 match bans most players get, their bans for vicious/unacceptable behaviour, Cantona got banned for a long time and the same thing could easily happen to Suarez after all he's been caught twice in England now, next time they'll probably double the number of games.
If you don't try you never know for sure, yes that's probably a Wenger thing always wants a player to do more than just score goals, I was just pointing out there are cheaper options who are still top class and that would allow us to go out and sign a few more quality players like Shaquiri for example.
Probably, sounds like Wenger thing to do doesn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory