Apart from Sanogo. That one showed a cold hearted disregard for the fans, and football in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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Apart from Sanogo. That one showed a cold hearted disregard for the fans, and football in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Agree. He usually puts his players first no matter what (Denilson) but if he does get Cech then you can only assume he has found his marbles and really wants to go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Amaury Bischoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'd be glad to keep Chesney over Ospina as he's younger and has more potential in my opinion, plus more affinity to the club. But it all seems very un Wenger like to ditch a player after one season for a 33 year old. I'm little bit sceptical.
Well regardless of how you feel about Cech, he's definitely better than Ospina. We've got the money and a very good upgrade is available on the market, no pussyfooting around now and I like it.
That Art of War reading, Machiavellian, prick Mourinho won't sell us Cech. He'll stall the deal for as long as possible and if by miracle it goes through, we better run a thorough medical examination on Cech. I wouldn't put it past Mourinho to sell us a dead horse.
Seems like Cech is a done deal (twitterverse)
Chelsea want Rob Green to replace Cech apparently. :lol:
I sincerely hope they get him.
Remember when they signed Schwarzer? :lol: Weird
Bookies have stopped taking bets on it allgedely. Seems to be a done thing.
Guessing this is Green's reward for his "mistake" last season when Chelsea were desperate for points in the final run in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Hope Courtois suffers a long term injury the day after the window shuts so they have to rely on this clown whilst we'll have Cech.
Selling Ospina? :(
Goodbye Colombian flag.
Goodbye Incompetent midgetQuote:
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Goodbye extremely hot sisterQuote:
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If Wenger had changed into Mr Ruthless we wouldn't have offered pointless contracts to Rosicky or Arteta. I am a Rosicky fan but he won't play ahead of the likes of Santi, Rambo, Ozil or Jack & bearing in mind Wenger seems to think OX is a central midfielder, he will struggle to get a game next year with that lot in front of him. We also have to think of Zelalem & the young Polish lad. If they are ever going to given a chance they need to replace the likes of Arteta & Rosicky as back up midfielders.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
No way. We need cover and both are good enough for cover. When things are going wrong, these two can at least steady the boat, especially Rosicky. If Santi were to get injured and Ramsey or Wilshere aren't working in as CM, Rosicky will guarantee a solid performance and getting our passing game and fluidity back. A one year contract does us no harm. We need a blend of youth and experience along with a big squad. Culling experience too soon again just repeats the pattern of the past. Besides influence on the field, we need strong experienced heads in the squad to guide the youth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
I think the squad is starting to look powerful, with some good depth to it. About time too, it has only taken 10 years. The advantage of squad depth is having a manager who knows how to best utilise it :doh:
Time to move for Vidal. He's at a low point right now having gone into full arsehole mode. A call from Wenger, some inside work from Alexis, get the bid in and get the job done. His energy and work rate alongside Alexis would make Matic and Hazard look like the fairy duet. Make it happen Wenger and stop pissing around playing Maureen's Cech games.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Everyone bitched and moaned that the invincibles were culled too early and the squad lacked experience after that and now we want to repeat the same mistakes. :lol:
It's a long season with numerous games, especially if you want to go far in all four competitions.
Rosicky is still boss and should hopefully get some decent game time and as for Arteta, he's a magnificent club captain apparently and is primarily the main driver behind the fantastic team atmosphere at the club now by helping integrate all the cliques together. He's also top coach potential; no harm in him sticking around if he wants to either.
Flamini can fuck off though, even if he's Ozil's new BFF.
Totally disagree & your thoughts echo why we've become a second rate team when it comes to competing top level over the past decade. Are you seriously suggesting that Arteta is good cover if Coq is out - would Arteta get into a Chelsea or Man City team as a substitute DM. Did you not see the pressure our defense is under with Arteta in that role. Rosicky has been at the club a long time & has more than enough chances to become a 1st team regular. He is too inconstant & like Arteta wouldn't make any other top team. Players like Bielek & Zelalem could potentially be world class & shouldn't have to sit behind a couple of old farts who Wenger thinks are good professionals. Good professionals they may be, but not good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
We are now being linked with Lars Bender ( which I think is a good move for us ), as I do a move for Scheiderlin. Also a move for Draxler is being banded about again. If any off these turn into reality, Arteta & Rosicky would be too far down the pecking order & surplus to requirements. Unlike the younger lads mentioned above they have nothing to offer this club that could help us compete at the top table in the coming years.
We have more than enough experience without Arteta or Rosicky. Experienced pros can only have an affect on how we play if they are on the pitch, doesn't matter how much they are part of a "fantastic team atmosphere". They are taking up places in a squad where we have good youngsters coming through & the need to add more quality. If we have a fairly injuring-free start to next year, Rosicky & Arteta will probably only get a start in the League cup. When we already know what they can offer & they are coming to the end of their careers - is that really a good move instead of giving the youngsters a chance to stake a claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Keep thinking along those lines and you'll understand why Wenger kept Denilson in the starting line up for so long and why Sanogo was getting games. I'm against reserving spots for players that haven't proven themselves whilst shifting out players that have. Ramsey, Wilshere and Ox are inconsistent young players. We can't bank on them. We don't even have a lot of good DM's so it makes even less sense to ship Arteta out. I have no problem with keeping a big squad. It's only a problem if it gets in the way of us signing players and Arteta and Rosicky aren't the players getting in the way. 1 year contracts are fine. Wilshere and Ramsey are the players stopping Wenger from signing better players because he's banking on them to prove their potential. While that happens, we need stop gap players that can perform on days they fumble. Wenger kept the in form players playing last season and didn't shunt Bellerin or Coquelin to the bench once Debucy and Arteta were fit. It's nothing to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
So if we all think along your lines we would not have replaced Arteta with Coq ( who hadn't proved himself ), if Arteta hadn't got injured. I'm sure you'd agree - BIG, BIG mistake. If you have an outstanding player, doing the right things most of the time then ofcourse its going to be difficult for a younger guy to make an impact but we have areas in our team where a younger version with hunger to add to quality can improve us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Also can't understand how you would compare Arteta & Rosicky to Jack & Rambo. Whilst both can suffer from inconsistency Jack & Rambo have done in a relatively short 1st team career far more then I can ever remember from Arteta & Rosicky. Jack finished this year looking top class for club & country. It was only the season before last where before injury Rambo was being talked about as one of Europe's top players. When in their Arsenal careers can you ever say that about Rosicky & Arteta.
They have been nothing more than average for a very long time, along with other deadwood that Wenger has assembled along the way (Denilson being one of them) - which believe it or not could be the reason why we have been nothing more than average for the last decade.
The 6ft midget :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
This isn't football manager, part of managing the squad includes keeping experienced lads like Rosicky and Arteta who can still have a big influence on and off the pitch. It's illogical to have too many mid 20 internationals who all want and expect to play all the time. Why do you think Mourinho bought a 37 year old Drogba last year, or (if the rumours are true) a Falcao with his confidence in the gutters this year?
They aren't blocking anyone. Rosicky hardly gets a game these days, but he is still capable of coming off the bench and showing the rest of them how it should be done.
I think Jack scoring those blinding goals have clouded your judgement. He's been inconsistent along with Ramsey. Cazorla playing as CM really anchored our midfield and got the fluidity back into our play. Throw in Ozil and we didn't need Jack or Ramsey to start. The only other player in the squad I know can anchor the midfield like that after looking disjointed is Rosicky. A player's player and lack of appearances and injuries have held him back from really shining. ButJack and Aaron could still learn a lot from him. Intelligent distribution, deft touch and he works hard in the middle. They could learn a great deal and I wouldn't be so quick dismiss him. In hard times he can change the flow of things for us. It's a shambles that it's not recognised more Arsenal fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Jack and Aaron have no partnership in the midfield at all. No communication between the two or intelligent movement around the pitch so we're not leaving gaps. You can't have both playing and when we tried playing both, we were playing poor and out of the title race early.
As for Coquelin, in my books, he had proven himself before the season kicked off. I was calling for him to get some game time before he was loaned out to Charlton because I remember his performances before being loaned out in Germany. I'm not against giving youth a shot but I'm against reserving a first team place for unproven youth whilst pushing out experienced players that we know can perform to a standard at least. Not the biggest Arteta fan but I wouldn't push him out the team now when we are short in DM.
The shit Arteta gets is incredible. He's been a model pro and a great captain for us. He's played out of position for ages (blame Wenger for that, not Arteta), he's been ultra reliable in key pressure situations, why wouldn't we want to have a senior player of this calibre and professionalism around the club? Diaby is gone and the chances of us making more than one or two signings in the summer is slim, so what's the rush to push Arteta and Rosicky out? We need a manager who understands how to use 20+ players over a long season rather than grinding a few favourites into the dirt, Arteta and Rosicky can be excellent players for us if used judiciously. Not saying Wenger will manage things properly, but the opportunity is there for him if he wants to do it.
Arteta slows us down to much - was good at supplying the killer diagonal ball to Cahill at Everton - but isn't quick enough on his feet to do the Fabregas type tippy tappy role he was bought for. Wenger finally realised this ( coz it does take him a bit of time to spot the obvious) but then in his infinite wisdom decided he would make a good DM & therefore ruined him as a player of any use. He may be a lovely guy & a model pro but then give him a coaching role - don't have him stinking up the bench when his presence on a football pitch actually has a negative affect on us.
Rosicky to my mind is still a good player, still plays for his national team because his manager recognises that the injuries have not dulled the player that he once was. I would gladly give him15-20 games next season. Arteta on the other hand can do one. Useless player, not his fault but he has dropped off a cliff in capability since joining us. He can take his immaculate hair and behaviour to Swindon town or West Ham. I can think of no situation we could find ourselves where Arteta`s stationary pillar football would be required. No need for sentiments. He has had a good career, we are nobody's retirement home. Wenger is already on an expensive pension here.
Compared to Cech, Courtouis, De Gea who are all 6ft 4 +Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
I have no personal issue with Arteta I just don't want him anywhere near the first team, too slow and too much of a sideways passerQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Bielek & Zelalem are nowhere near the first team and Arteta is our only back up DCM (I'm not counting Chambers sorry). I read on Arseblog Zelalem saying he wouldn't be surprised if he was playing week in week out next year. Nice Cojones kid but I almost spat my coffee out reading it. It just isn't going to happen.
Rosicky has been unfortunate a little similar to the way Theo was. If the manager won't play you even when he can afford to bring you on, you won't get any better and in the mean time people will slag said player off finding every reason why them not playing is totally justified.
But how will we know when Bielek & Zelalem are ready for the 1st team? - Rooney was playing for Everton at 16, Messi for Barca at 17, Ronaldo in Portugal the same. They were given their chances because they didn't have 2 or 3 old farts ahead of them who had already had plenty of time to claim a 1st team spot. Why do we always seem to think players are too young under 20 when the two very best players in the world were given their chance in their teens.
You can afford to give attackers a chance at a younger age, as there's much less risk of something going wrong. In defence and DM it's rarely done because it can lose you matches.
Dont agree - not scoring goals loses you matches. If there good enough, their old enough.
There you go Herbie - I knew we'd agree on something one day!Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You said, "If there good enough, their old enough."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
If you were the youth academy coach at Barca / Everton watching Rooney / Messi play....do you think you would have enough about you to spot the fact they were patently too good for the level of football they were playing and were ready for the step up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
They got their chance early because it was obvious that they were good enough. If either of Bielekor Zelalem were ready they would be getting on the bench ahead of Ramsey and Wilshere who have had their share of time on the bench this season.....never mind ahead of older pro's like Arteta and Rosicky.
Why do you think the point of realisation regarding a young players talent is his official first team debut? To the rest of the world it will be then, to the players club it will be before that.
I can tell you to add more weight to this idea that I am as much excited about Dan Crowley's ascension as I am Bielek & Zelalem's and if Crowley ends up being a top player it won't have been his senior first team appearance in which I realised he was a special player.
No - my point is they should be getting on the bench instead of Arteta & Rosicky. Ramsey & Wilshire have shown their potential & they are young enough to improve & be part of future success - Rosicky & Arteta cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Its much easier to ease the likes of Zelalem into games where we've got a decent lead & he's got experience around him. Who's to say he couldn't make an immediate impact - lets say in place of an out of form Ramsey & then within weeks we are talking about him being the new saviour of Arsenal. These things happen, Coq was fortunate to get his chance - I very much doubt any of the Arsenal coaches thought he would make the impact he did otherwise why he hell was he behind Arteta & Flamini in the 1st place. We struck lucky & a lad we were happy to be loaning out last year because we didn't think was good enough for our 1st team is now one of the first names on the sheet. What about if he hadn't been able to get on the bench because we had bought a DM last summer & had kept Arteta & Flamini on the bench ahead of him. He may well have become a Brentford player by now. When we know we've had the best out of certain players & they cannot improve due to age - get rid.
I agree with you on Crowley but we are assessing him against the opposition he plays against. As per the situation with Coquelin this
Rosicky scored more goals than Jack this season and with less starts in the team. Jack scored 2, Rosicky scored 3 and I've already mentioned bow he adds to our passing game when involved. Jack has time on his side but you can't say Rosicky contributed nothing at all.
Coquelin should have been starting games early last season. Always thought he was ready but the fact that the manager didn't see what he could offer earlier is the real problem. Shipping out Arteta and trying bump players up the pecking order by shifting out the old won't guarantee a starting position. Ship Arteta out and we'd still have Flamini. Lose Flamini and Wenger is still prepared to give Chambers a chance in the midfield. Making the squad smaller isn't the solution it just creates another problem when we should be addressing the core problem.