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Edu, Nasri, Flamini, Clichy come to mind. I was thinking about players who are actually worth something basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I hear us re-signing youngsters on long term contracts etc (and never letting these run down) but there's examples with our top players where this isn't done.
Seems to me that AW has his fingers in many pies....too many if you ask me. I still think we never let kids contracts run down and yet with the likes of Nasri we have, it would have been better to keep him under a longer contract even if we did plan to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Er let's see, Wenger said as much. Not the same wage but he doesn't want big wage differences amongst most of the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironing
Bloody commie frog.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Right, that's not exactly the same is itQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
How are you quantifying 'big wage difference' ? What is a 'big difference' in Wenger's eyes? How much is 'most of the squad'
Is there a reliable online footballer's wage reference? I'm also interested in the claim that Bendtner earns the same amount as Modric & Male (Grebbo pg. 23)
To me, a player can run down a contract if he wishes. The club can offer them a deal, but sometimes that's not what the player wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
You can either bow to their demands, or you just leave it be. You can't force a player to sign a new deal.
With Nasri, he's demanding parity with Cesc, our captain, and he does not deserve that wage imho. We've offered a good package if you believe what is written, and so why should we do any more for the kid. This was done last year....so wehn exactly were we supposed to renegotiate that contract??? Two years ago?? When he was injured and had done absolutely jack all for us??
With Flamini, he openly admits that he is a business man, and therefore he was always going to piss off. Tbh, it was hardly a sore miss, and he's done nothing since.
Edu, I am actually pissed off we failed to resign him, as I think he was a brilliant player, but then again, he was also far to inconsistent.
Clichy?? Come on. He's been useless for three years now, and has cost us a lot of points. Why should we renew a contract of a player who has not improved?? Or is this soley down to sell on value in your eyes??
The club should not be held to ransom by mercinarys. In all the cases you mention, we have offered improved deals. And those deals are what the club are prepared to offer. Of those players you mention, which ones do you think were deserved of massive wage increases?
Like I said; I agree with you on the youngsters. Special cases like Cesc, probably Wilshire etc deserve it imho, but others?? But as Ironing says, we don't know precisely what they are being paid do we....
Well if you believe what you read then Bendtner and Denilson are on 40-50k a week, that suggests the squad members get a lot more than they should. We know what some of the others get too, doesn't Chamakh get 50k I think it was. So you can already see the kind of wages we're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironing
If you look at our wage bill though, there's no doubt we have a hig average as we don't have many stars and yet our bill is very high.
I'm not saying some of those are great players, but with a longer contract their worth more. I'd say if someone doesn't want to sign, sell them whilst their value is high...you don't have to bow down but you have to protect yourself from losing players cut price.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Nasri IMO should have been signed up last summer, if he wasn't going to we should have got our money back and signed someone else. We should make it clear that we want to extend their contract but that if they don't then we'll be left with no choice but to sell as we don't want to lose them for less than market value.
That has nothing to do with socialism. If we had geniune socialism, every player who be paid his geniune worth, i.e. the labour theory of value. In that case, lazy bastards like Denilson and Bendtner who free ride off the success of others would be paid jack shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
It's not Wenger's so called "socialism" that's the problem, it's his free market fundamentalist ideas that has got us into this predicament, combined with the old fashioned ideas of our board members, who are simply old Etonian dinosaurs.
Chamakh on 50k? After signing him for free? I'd be surprised if it's under 65k at the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I have no doubt our young players are on more than at other clubs, them being first team regulars and all but I'm not entirely sure what your point is. You want us to negotiate contracts earlier just in case players get good later but you don't want us to pay young players more as they haven't proven themselves yet? That seems kinda contradictory to me.