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It might but you don't know what players RVP thinks we should be signing and where. It might be that he didn't want the burden of being the only regular goalscorer, so he wanted 'world class' or whatever ambitious critieria he was after, in to the team. And even if that isn't the case, he shouldn't be mouthing off about 'the direction', presumably with player recruitment - doing so makes it very easy for him to look stupid.
That seems very unlikely. Would it make sense for RVP to go into a meeting to call for more strikers and then make a statement saying we disagreed with the direction we're going in? We don't know what was said but that doesn't seem logical and it's clutching at straws. I presume the talks he had before the Euros with Gaz and Wenger weren't positive, hence the need to place a gagging order on him. Why did we feel the need to try and control the media at that point? Also, Grimandi has already said that Giroud is a replacement for RVP. It's in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
As for 'mouthing off'. If a gag order has been placed on him during the Euros and PHW makes a statement which questions his loyalty and integrity as a player, couldn't that be the reason why he's released a statement? I get that people are beating RVP over the head with this 'disrespecting the club' talk and airing out dirty laundry but surely it works both ways? Gooners made a good point about PHW doing the same with Cesc when saying he can't make it into the Barca team. With RVP he linked him to Man City and then had the cheek to talk about players that are loyal like Giggs and Scholes, completely ignoring the fact that we haven't won anything in years, we have that silly 30 plus contract rule and are quick to shove older players out the door and we don't even pay our top stars that well even when they're prepared to give their whole career to the cause.
But all that aside, if we're going to talk about RVP 'mouthing off' it's only right to acknowledge what PHW said while RVP couldn't defend himself. Maybe I'm being cynical, but I suspect we placed a gag order on RVP to try and construct our own story in the press us fans wouldn't think we're being tight with money again. I think we've been leaking stories to the press and I back that up with Ferguson's claim about Manchester United's bid for RVP.
As for him looking stupid over the comments he made. Henry, Vieira, Pires, Campbell, Cole, Ljungberg, Parlour, Wright, Merson, Keown....they have all said something along the same line about the club. Henry was calling for us to sign SWP just before the Spurs derby and was pissed with the club. You've seen what Vieira said and that was when we were still winning. RVP was probably wrong to make a statement and assume fans would understand his intentions or back him. What he has said is no secret and it's not as if it hasn't been said on forums, blogs, by ex Arsenal players, pundits, etc. Maybe he should have kept quiet, but would it have been better if people assumed he was a mercenary? Just look at Theo's case. He's kept quiet, played the PR game, but he's getting shitted on anyway and people are actually debating whether or not he's worth a the wages. I've seen a few posts where people are doing the same with RVP and suggesting he's not worth the wages anyway. Whatever the scenario, RVP would have been the villain if he refused a new deal. Bound to happen.
Well firstly I don't think RVP's statement makes much sense to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I am not suggesting he went in to a meeting and asked for strikers but he must know what players/what calibre of players he wants to come in and let's suppose he only wanted 'world class' midfielders to come in and not strikers. Well that's fairly contradictory isn't it? A guy that wants our team to improve but would not be happy to see other strikers to come in that are better than what we have to begin with - it's fine if the team is improved so long as it doesn't interfere with my position. And that would be even more contradicted by the clubs he is supposedly interested in going to! All of them, aside from perhaps Juventus have top strikers in surplus to begin with - so why would he go there? He must know his position would be at risk there.
I find it extremely hard to believe his nose was put of joint because we signed other strikers, if it was then he really is a bit stupid.
You keep bringing in all these other people to stop people criticising RVP, when you don't know what my stance is on all those other people. I don't have much time for PHW's statements but he isn't the guy I would be watching week in week out and he is the guy near the top of the chain, even if I don't think he should be. My main contention with RVP's statement is the specific part of players, that's the part I consider he was mouthing off unfairly about - the rest I don't care for. It's evident why he would want to leave, he doesn't need to hide behind reasons like he gave, I guess players think they're trying to pacifiy us when most can see through it
Anyway, he agreed to the 'gagging order' and so did his country, so I don't really have much sympathy for him there. As it turned out, the idea of focusing purely on football for that time didn't really work out. I reckon he had that statement ready to go for when the tournament was over.
Also, what happens if he does end up staying, what would you think about him then? Not in relation to what any other person has said about him, I mean purely regarding Van Persie.
Grimandi can say Giroud is Van Persie's replacement and that would be true, if he goes but he hasn't yet, for some reason.
If he had just said that he wanted to move away from the club for a new challenge, no-one would have begrudged him that and no-one would think any less of him.
Instead he tried to make the club look stupid, make his position untenable and force his sale.
Thats why so many are pissed with him.
Exactly. And all he has done is undermine the players that were brought in - that's not to say they will care or rather, be annoyed by what Van Persie said but the possible reaction exists.
It all seems like window dressing to me.
And that's all that needs to be said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
For starters, we don't which clubs RVP would like to join, only the clubs that are interested in him. Repels has suggested he's prefer Juve and Mancini has pulled out apparently. Man U have Rooney and are prepared to sel Berbatov.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
But ignore that cause you're missing the point. It's very unlikely that RVP walked out of that meeting expecting world class signings period and told the club he wasn't extending. With that news te club signed another striker. Again, Grimandi confirms this. But for those who argue otherwise, you have to question what message the club is sending to an unsettled player when we sign two new strikers. Even when we signed them, people on here were asking what the signings meant for RVP. Let's not kid ourselves.
What exactly has he mouthed off about that you have a problem with? What's he hiding behind cause I don't get it. If you're pissed about him releasing the statement and somehow trying to dupe the fans, fair enough, but I'd still argue that it's in response to media specualtion and what the club have put out.
Fair point, but the statement seemed like a reaction to press specualtion about wages and he probably overplayed his hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
The statement was nonsense however he could easily have behaved like a dick behind the scenes and still made our position untenable anyway. Whether this was done in public or not isn't an issue for me, it's that once again we've got another billy big bollocks twat on our hands.
Another Billy Big Bollocks Twat you say. You sure the problem isn't the club then? We slaughter a player every year. It's a tiring conversation and we have it every year.