The Liverpool Thread 2017/2018 featuring Jurgen Klopp

Terry is fucked however you look at it. He can't back down from the statement he made at the time, including admitting saying it. I'm sure looking back he regrets that. Should've claimed he was calling him a bald cunt or something. Is Anton bald? I dunno.

Obviously it's on camera, unlike the Suarez stuff.

He has form for cuntery.

He should be killed, but at least yeah, his is a far worse case than Suarez's.

I think there's a key difference. I still don't understand exactly what Suarez's stance was. He pleaded 'not guilty' but did he not admit that he said something that is offensive in the UK but pleaded ignorance and said it wasn't offensive where he's from? Whereas Evra also admitted saying something about Suarez being South American? John Terry denies that he said something offensive or anything that could be interpreted as offensive. As pathetically weak as his case is, he still has a chance to get off on that technicality.

Immigrants :rolleyes:

None of this confusion would've happened if Joe Bloggs insulted John Smith.

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

John Terry denies that he said something offensive or anything that could be interpreted as offensive. As pathetically weak as his case is, he still has a chance to get off on that technicality.

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They must have something to squash that technicality. I think the TV footage is obscured by Ashley Cole's head at the start, presumably where Terry reckons he was saying 'I wasn't calling you...'. Must be other angles given to the CPS.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

They must have something to squash that technicality. I think the TV footage is obscured by Ashley Cole's head at the start, presumably where Terry reckons he was saying 'I wasn't calling you...'. Must be other angles given to the CPS.

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Wasn't it a home game? That footage will be misplaced, no doubt.

Good to see Gus Poyet keeping quiet on this one...

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

Wasn't it a home game? That footage will be misplaced, no doubt.

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It was at Loftus Road.

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

I think there's a key difference. I still don't understand exactly what Suarez's stance was. He pleaded 'not guilty' but did he not admit that he said something that is offensive in the UK but pleaded ignorance and said it wasn't offensive where he's from? Whereas Evra also admitted saying something about Suarez being South American? John Terry denies that he said something offensive or anything that could be interpreted as offensive. As pathetically weak as his case is, he still has a chance to get off on that technicality.

Immigrants :rolleyes:

None of this confusion would've happened if Joe Bloggs insulted John Smith.

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I think Suarez's defence was that he used a term (still not exactly sure what it was, but probably negrito) which he and other South Americans wouldn't consider offensive but is ambiguous enough to be considered offensive to us. And that because there was this ambiguity there's no way to prove there is any racist intent. As such he's been found guilty of using a term which could be considered racist, as opposed to flat out racism. The thing is we've still yet to see any video evidence (which is odd if he said it 10 times considering Terry's one liner was picked up) and the fact Evra admitted to also using a pejorative term toward Suarez. We have to wait for the written report to see exactly what went on.

Either way though, it didn't work.

In other news Suarez needs to wind his neck in from now on.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

It was at Loftus Road.

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It'll get lost in the post then.

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Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss

I think Suarez's defence was that he used a term (still not exactly sure what it was, but probably negrito) which he and other South Americans wouldn't consider offensive but is ambiguous enough to be considered offensive to us. And that because there was this ambiguity there's no way to prove there is any racist intent. As such he's been found guilty of using a term which could be considered racist, as opposed to flat out racism. The thing is we've still yet to see any video evidence (which is odd if he said it 10 times considering Terry's one liner was picked up) and the fact Evra admitted to also using a pejorative term toward Suarez. We have to wait for the written report to see exactly what went on.

Either way though, it didn't work.

In other news Suarez needs to wind his neck in from now on.

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yeah in Uruguay we call all blackies nigga

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Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss

I think Suarez's defence was that he used a term (still not exactly sure what it was, but probably negrito) which he and other South Americans wouldn't consider offensive but is ambiguous enough to be considered offensive to us. And that because there was this ambiguity there's no way to prove there is any racist intent. As such he's been found guilty of using a term which could be considered racist, as opposed to flat out racism. The thing is we've still yet to see any video evidence (which is odd if he said it 10 times considering Terry's one liner was picked up) and the fact Evra admitted to also using a pejorative term toward Suarez. We have to wait for the written report to see exactly what went on.

Either way though, it didn't work.

In other news Suarez needs to wind his neck in from now on.

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Evra admitting to using aggressive words might've actually worked against Suarez because it suggests - as we all might suspect - that the conversation was an aggressive one. So for all the talk of 'negrito' is a friendly term in South America, it's at odds with what seemed to have happened. And besides - the term doesn't need to be derogatory in itself for the same reason 'black' in 'black cunt' isn't, in itself, derogatory but the whole term is still a racist insult. The commission found that Suarez referenced Evra's skin colour as part of an insult - which for our purposes is a racist insult. Personally, I think 'Negrito' sounds as much like 'nigger' as it does 'negro' (or at least it contains the former when sounded out). If Suarez admitted to 'I didn't say Nigger/Negro, I said 'Negrito'' I think it's almost as weak a defence as Terry's. But he pleaded not guilty to the charge and if he didn't admit to saying anything like that, then the evidence would have to be very good to prove it.