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Originally Posted by 'Coca Cola presents GP'
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1) I love ArsenalQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
2) I think Wenger is past his sell by date, done OK this season to be fair but I think we're starting to see the old habits come up again (up to him to prove to me he's not past it by actually achieving something after almost a decade without doing so.
3) I don't really rate Wilshere, as I said I think he's vastly overrated, I also think he's embarrassing.
The guy is 21 years old and has already had world class perfomances both on club level and international level versus the best teams in the world. He IS not fit yet, he's never played a proper full season, if you had eye for true talent you would see that he is improving despite having some bad games here and there, he is beginning to get into better positions, starting to score goals and apperently has an amazing shot we have hardly seen unfolded yet (The one he hit the bar vs cardiff and the one vs city were the keeper had to make an amazing save for an example). Not everybody is fully developed and world class at the age of 20 like Messi. We didnt see people like Drogba, Ribery, Cazorla, Robben, Lewandowski, Modric, Falcao, etc. fully develop before they were into their mid or late 20s, but you could always see they had the talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Wilshere has the talent, now he just needs to stay injury free and raise his "bottom level" (dno whats the english saying for that).
And Merts bollocking that Ozil marks the end of the honeymoon. Hope I dont have to hear how hes "by far the best player in the league" anymore without him having to prove it.
We cannot just pretend that people like Suarez and Aguero dont exist.
I agree with this, so much hype about him and yet so little delivered where it matters on the pitch. He's another player treated like football royalty without having had to work for it and earn his stripes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
You have a funny way of showing it, you're constantly critical of pretty much everything the team, manager and players do - unless it's something good in which case you're dismissive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I haven't been that critical this season, I actually think we've done pretty well, I just think we're starting to come unstuck when we really need to show resilience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
I don't know what it is about Wenger teams of the last 8-9 years, it's like they don't believe they can take on the best teams and win (other teams seem to get the odd good result against them), it's almost like a psychological block.
I know we beat Dortmund which was a fantastic result (was a bit smash and grab but no matter once we scored we played much better), but then we ended up throwing away our hard work by losing to Napoli with a tame display.
Is a trait of his teams a lack of mentally strong players who believe they can be better than the rest? We've got some excellent players, but we don't seem to have the characters ready to go fight to win a match. I watched the Vieira Keane documentary the other day and what struck me was Vieira's attitude towards the big games, he use to treat them as if he was going to war.
Football isn't simply about talent it's also about having a will to win, I haven't seen that for years from us.
Okay so when will he be fit? When can he be expected to be fit? He is a professional, I want target dates.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Id expect 6 months after that date he'll be playing similarly because hes simply not an improving player. At 16, when he was a youth player, Bob Wilson went on 5live and said "hes better at this age than Fabregas was". Well, by 19 Fabregas was controlling games at Old Trafford and Madrid. 2 years after that he added goals. This is the trajectory of a learning player with the so-called talent that Wilshere has. And wasnt it you who keeps harping back to that "night in Barcelona" where it is claimed he dominated Xavi and Iniesta? (he didnt). Harping back to that implies hes regressed from that point.
One thing ALL the top players have is that they all improve over time, even if its gradual. Meanwhile Wilshere is still childishly giving the ball away like a parks player and running down blind alleys. Look you need to decide if Wilshere is not as talented as suggested or is incapable of learning. If we admit hes a bit of a clogger i'll back off a bit. Thats not a problem, weve had plenty of those here.
Wilshere is fit. Wenger wouldn't play him for 90 minutes if he wasn't. He's just off form and struggling to get up to speed.
BOBN you know nothing about football do you? He is by far the best #10 in the league, probably even in the world. But if your criteria for being the best is the one who scores most goals, then you will never see Özil be "the best" :) #10's are all about roaming freely, creating space for your teammates and delivering the assists and you wont find anyone better than Özil for that (its not a coincidence Ramsey are scoring a bunch of goals now). He's hardly settled in our team, the culture and the premier league, but still got 4 goals and 8 assists in 13 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN