Match reaction - Man City

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Was it not said that Wenger was not said that Wenger had way more influence over the Board that you guys were making out?

Was it not said that he was a poor tactician?

Was it not said that he’d not be able to handle star players with egos because of his soft man management, hence why he goes for less known players?

Was it not said that he’d still fuck things up even if he had money to spend?

Was it not said that he’s he puts the interest of Board over the interest of the Arsenal fans?

A lot has been said over the years and goes way beyond the results and us dropping down the table.

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Wenger was thrown under a bus, apparently.

Excuse after excuse rattled off for him back then. All to mask his flawed approach where the seeds were planted 10 years ago and now those plants are bearing fruit.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Fuck off! :lol: Now you want a serious debate and less WUM!

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Somebody changed the goalposts on him.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Fuck off! :lol: Now you want a serious debate and less WUM!

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"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men."

A little bit both. But I posted something sensible enough.
If people are accusing me of dropping in to sensible conversations and having a dig (which I'm not saying I ever have) then it's a bit rich for those people to then do the same thing and post lazy straw man arguments.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You want me to explain why Arsenal is not positioned for success?

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Well, I've mentioned our board and manager which I see as "blockers" to success. And that is, admittedly, a bit problem. But we have the things I mentioned going for us, most clubs don't.
Without a billionaire taking them over very few clubs have the chance to succeed that we potentially do. If you disagree then yes, explain why.

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Originally Posted by Letters

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men."

A little bit both. But I posted something sensible enough.
If people are accusing me of dropping in to sensible conversations and having a dig (which I'm not saying I ever have) then it's a bit rich for those people to then do the same thing and post lazy straw man arguments.

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We had all the sensible conversations years back. Remember? And nothing has changed since. So people can maybe be excused for laughing when the same old crap comes up again. Poor old Wenger. Had 200 million to spend and all he got was Xhaka and a lousy T-shirt.

The guy has fucked-up at every turn. How long does history have to be before we can call it the official record?

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Originally Posted by Letters

Well, I've mentioned our board and manager which I see as "blockers" to success. And that is, admittedly, a bit problem. But we have the things I mentioned going for us, most clubs don't.
Without a billionaire taking them over very few clubs have the chance to succeed that we potentially do. If you disagree then yes, explain why.

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We have billionaires that have taken us over.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Was it not said that Wenger was not said that Wenger had way more influence over the Board that you guys were making out?

Was it not said that he was a poor tactician?

Was it not said that he’d not be able to handle star players with egos because of his soft man management, hence why he goes for less known players?

Was it not said that he’d still fuck things up even if he had money to spend?

Was it not said that he’s he puts the interest of Board over the interest of the Arsenal fans?

A lot has been said over the years and goes way beyond the results and us dropping down the table.

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Yes, lots has been said, some right, some wrong. But don't cherry pick a few right ones and declare those who said them wise seers, ignoring all the things they said that were wrong.
Oh, and literally no-one ever thought Wenger was a good tactician :lol:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We have billionaires that have taken us over.

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:lol: True. But you know what I meant :sulk:

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Originally Posted by Letters

Yes, lots has been said, some right, some wrong. But don't cherry pick a few right ones and declare those who said them wise seers, ignoring all the things they said that were wrong.
Oh, and literally no-one ever thought Wenger was a good tactician :lol:

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Really? I remember Flavs having a go at me for saying that some years back and few others chiming in to disagree with me.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Not really. He has been consistent but if you're consistent about something where fortunes often fluctuate, as they tend to in football over the long term, then at some point you will probably be "right". That doesn't mean you were right all along.
If I spent the last 10 years saying "there's no way interest rates are going to stay this low, they're definitely going to rise" then it would be a bit rich of me to pat myself on the back this month when they finally did and it would be weird of others to declare me a wise sage who tried to warn us all.

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Of course you're not going to admit he was right all along, cause that would mean you were wrong! And that can't happen can it Arsene Letters! :haha: