Howedes rejected us, apparently. Good to see we're going after another CB though.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...senal-transfer
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Howedes rejected us, apparently. Good to see we're going after another CB though.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...senal-transfer
Rosicky is at least as good (and possibly 38 times better) than your typical Milner type so commonly found in the PL. So is Arteta. Think of them all, the Hendersons and Delphs. All would probably be listed at £30mill+ Ludicrous but that's the going rate for your average PL mediaball player. Why would we get rid of two decent players when we don't need to? Makes no sense at all. Getting rid of their experience would be twice as crazy.
Strong squad - it's all good.
Why should they be getting on the bench if they aren't good enough yet? We don't even have space for Gnabry who has actually hasn't done a lot wrong to be omitted from the squads. Zelalem is good, not amazing and nobody knows how good Bielek is... Players have to exceed the expectations of the current level they're at or else they don't get to step. Were that not the case Arsenal football club wouldn't be signing Kristian Bielek in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Just because a player won't improve, doesn't meant he can't be part of any future success. If that's the case then we should leave Petr Cech where he is or revert back to our antiquated policy of never signing or offering contracts to 30+ year old's.
Chelsea and City are reportedly interested in Alex Song because he qualifies as homegrown. :lol:
This rule is a bit silly really.
It'll be silly for the first few years while clubs adjust. Then English football will be forced to train youngsters to do more than kick Diaby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Sky Sports reporting that personal terms have been agreed with Cech but negotiations with Chelsea are ongoing.
How is that possible? Isn't that tapping up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I have to say im still really surprised AW has actually done this! Its unlike him to sign a GK a year after signing his new number 1. Could this be the new Arsenal, ruthless and always looking for the best available?
Cech makes us stronger, there's no doubt about that.
Good signing.
The terms have reportedly been agreed in principle, so I'm sure Chelsea have allowed him to explore his options given his desire to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
People who were telling us he was average not so long ago suddenly think Cech is the best thing since sliced bread. He's a good keeper, but nowhere near as good as he use to be, I personally would prefer an younger keeper who's got years ahead of him. Chelsea found Courtois, let him prove himself at the top level and then moved him back to replace Cech so clearly they think his best days are behind him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
I find it hard to swallow that we're effectively taking on another club's reject.
Agreed - trouble is many on here have become Wengerised into accepting 2nd best - or mostly 4th bestQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Surely buying a player who improves the 1st XI is actually a good move? I think people who think the money should be spent elsewhere are probably more Wengerised as buying a keeper should not have an dramatic impact on spending elsewhere. And who cares how much we spend, ticket prices aren't going to go down if we don't spend the money so just do it and move on.
IIRC, Courtois is partly playing because he basically said play me or I leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Chelsea knew they couldn't let him leave. That's part of why he is playing.
The idea should be to groom sneezy until he is ready to take over. Meanwhile he can learn from Cech.
Double post.
Technically yes but everyone does it I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It'll only be an issue if Chelsea have a problem with it and report us with actual evidence (not newspaper/media rumours) which is difficult to do as transfers are done through several intermediaries these days. You won't ever see Dick Law/Gazidis/Wenger in the same room as Cech until the transfer is officially ratified.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Trust you to find a negative in this.
After De Gea pisses of to Real, he'd comfortably be the second best keeper in the league and he's easily the best goalkeeper available to purchase this window. If that's accepting second best to people ........ then I have no words literally.
In fact I'm not comprehemsively sold on Courtois yet. Talented yes, but he's the got the odd mistake in him and could easily go the way of a Chesney given his age. It's a no brainer from Chelsea to make him number one as he's the future but I could easily see a situation where Cech is the better keeper next season.
It's not being negative it's fact, 95% of people on her have been saying how he's past it and prone to errors for a few years now, but suddenly now that we're linked heavily with him he's a great addition and is exactly what we need.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
He was amazing before his head injury, but he's simply not been the same since, yes he's still a good keeper but he's nowhere near as good as he was.
As for Courtois, he's top class as he proved time and time again for Athletico, it took De Gea time to settle but once he did be proved how good he was, the same will happen with Courtois. As for Chelsea and Courtois, well they could have let him leave if they didn't think he was better than Cech, but they didn't because they thought he was, which clearly shows he was 2nd choice at Chelsea and that they're happy to let him go.
Chesney, I don't really rate that highly, we need a replacement for him rather than someone for him to learn from, he's screwed up countless times especially when under pressure (his performance for Poland in the Euros was a shambles).
Because of his age, Cech isn't a huge step forward, in a few years we'll need to replace him and will have the same problem again.
Made up stats :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I gave up on real stats when I realised they only apply when you're the one using them in a debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
However bad you may think Cech is, he is still an improvement on the pair we have. Ospina is okay, but wont save us 10 points a season like a De gea or Cortious will. can you imagine where United would have ended last season w/o the Spaniard in goal. Funny that we seem to have forgotten about Martinez. From what I recall, he did quite well in the few games he played for us last season. If Sczezny doesnt get off his high horse and knuckle down. Martinez may be the one to take over from Cech. I hope he gets a run in the CC cup this season.
In other news Kondogbia is another one we can strike off the wishlist. Done deal to Inter. I recall both he and Sanogo were in the same France under 20 team in 2013 before we chose to sign San-no-goal
I do remember a discussion on Cech where some were saying he's not the same player but you'd have to name names if anyone has flip flopped and has suddenly changed their tune.
IMO it's a good signing if it goes through. I still don't think it will happen. But if it happens, you can't slam Wenger for going for him. Signing a keeper is difficult because most of the best are first choice at their club and you don't know when a top class one will become available so you have to pounce at the opportunity. If anyone thinks Cech isn't good enough, you'll be hard pressed to name someone better that's available. Unless you make a ridiculous offer for the keeper, no club will sell.
Corrected your minor typo there :tiphat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Why shouldn't we slam Wenger. We are having to buy a second choice keeper who is past his best from our rivals due to whom? - Whilst teams around us inc the f-----g spuds are buying the likes of Lloris & De Gea, our recent keepers have been Ches, Flapianski & Ospina. Why, because they were £10 mill cheaper than buying proper quality in the 1st place. Now, we are paying that £10 mill for a keeper past his best & one that will be worth f--k all in a few years time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
If we are that useless at finding quality young keepers, the Spuds are lining up Gerrin from Genoa ( if they lose Lloris ) who is very highly rated - most of our scouts have defected to Spurs over the past few years ( because of pay & Wengers running of the academy ) & we don't seem to have replaced them, so lets nick their ideas for a change & buy for the future.
agreed, we'd definitely be more successful if we followed Spurs lead.
Spurs signed Llloris in 2012. De Gea signed for Utd in 2011. Why even bring that up? It's 2015 and Utd spent almost £20m on De Gea whose only showing his true class in the last couple seasons. He wasn't ready when he first signed for them and we haven't got time to spend big money on a future keeper. We want the league title for next season, not 4/5 years down the line. Would you prefer us to spend £20m on a keeper that might or might turn out to be top quality in a few years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
I don't get the criticism on this one. I really don't.
Neither do I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Courtois has 10 years less on Cech and is equally as good, that's why Cech was replaced. Not because his ability was in question.
It took United years to find a quality keeper after Schmichael. VDS signed for them at 34 and he's easily one of Fergies greatest signings.
Im with you on this MO. Cech is by far the best GK we can sign, he is solid, experienced, still young for a GK and a proven winner, ticks all the boxes IMO and anyone who can criticise this move is being silly. Good GKs in Europe tend to struggle with the pace, crossses and long balls of this league and we have needed a solid PL ready GK for some time now. Cech is ready, he can hit the ground running and give us that key stability we have lacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
no complaints from me anyway.
1) @ Zim - You keep saying "Chelsea Reject" without appreciating the context of the situation. That being the difficulty in rotating between two top goalkeepers to keep them happy or the fact that Mourinho patently doesn't want to sell him to us. This isn't a Silvestre situation we're dealing with here where we actually bought a rival's reject.
2) @ Zim - Courtois has been impressive but so has Chesney at times in his career. Frankly his season wasn't anything more special than what Chesney produced for us last year. He's a step below the De Gea/Neuer level of Goalkeeping presence right now.
3) @ Zim - GK's can play up till they're almost 40. We've got plenty of years left with Cech and hopefully by the time he does fade, one of Chesney or Martinez would have developed enough to surpass him.
4) @Dein Machine - The last thing we need is to bring in a talented but raw and unproven keeper like Gerrin just when the squad is ready and at the right age to challenge for the league. Besides, I thought everyone was sick and tired of project Youth anyway and wanted the final product.
5) @Dein Machine - You act like De Gea was amazing to begin with when Ferguson brought him in. He was dodgy as hell for two years and probably even cost them a league title the year when City won it on GD before exploding into the GK he is today.
6) @ Dein Machine - Cech is better than Lloris btw.
The only concern is whether he's actually an agent sent by Mourinho. :ninja:
Wel there is talk of Abramovich giving him a bonus for his services to Chelski......Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
4) Why is it that a mid 30's keeper, who was very good as few years ago, is thought to be a better bet than a 22 year old now good enough to play for Italy. If we had this year over again knowing what we know - who would you start with as DM, Arteta or Coquelin?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
5) Yes De Gea had a dodgy start but it doesn't mean anything. Di Maria has had a dodgy start for Utd but Sanchez has been superb for us. Lloris started well for the Spuds, you can't NOT buy quality youngsters incase they don't start very well - you would only ever buy older experienced pro's in that case.
6) That is your opinion - not mine. Can't possibly have the reflexes he had a decade ago & his head injury has affected his decision making.
His head injury was 9 years ago. If his decision making since then was that bad Chelsea would have replaced him ages ago.
Daily Mail says it's done!!!!!!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...rd-Bridge.html
11 million.
@Dein Machine - Will reply to them later
Daily Mail. :lol:
I'll wait for Arsenal.com thanks.
If the Cech deal goes through, I bet Curtois suddenly get injured for a long time.
Forget all that. You'd be happy with Wenger signing a 22 year old keeper for £18m and having to wait a couple of seasons for that player to develop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Just ordered my replica hat.
Great signing
Read that he's younger than Lehman when he joined us.
Number 1 sorted :coffee:
Keepers can keep playing much older than outfield players. if we signed buffon who I think is 37, I would still think that is a good signing.
not ever player has to be an investment to the future. a player for the next few years is fine for me.