Torreira is very similar to Verrati, small but very tenacious and can tackle. He also had a good passing range and his awareness seems good, happy with him.
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Torreira is very similar to Verrati, small but very tenacious and can tackle. He also had a good passing range and his awareness seems good, happy with him.
Yeah I read that, basically a player who hasn't fulfilled his potential (we've had a few of those). Leverkusen might have a dodgy defence but the stats about errors is just due to him making mistakes rather than a poor defence in front of him really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
I mean we'll see with this guy if we sign him, wouldn't have been my first choice though.
He may very well improve with a proper and decent coach though.
We’ve spent too long under Wenger and his head in the sand ‘play how you want’ bullshit to realise that genuine coaching of players yields better results :good:
Martial wants to leave United. Cheeky bid?
Ł20?
No seriously, we could swap him for Welbeck
Sessegnon is a player we should seriously be keeping an eye on.....seriously!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I don't like the sound of Leno at all and a German keeper of that age with so many reports regarding individual mistakes does not feel me with confidence. The Uruguayan midget sounds good though.
Yeah this error prone reputation he has is very concerning. Surely there are better options out there in our price range?
If only we could spunk the lot on Oblak.
The shining light is that he was one of the top goalkeepers in Europe up to 2 years ago. He's stalled but that could be because he wasn't getting the right coaching or he hit a ceiling at Bayer and needed to move on. Similar to Chezza, who is flourishing at Juve now.
Bernd Leno: Only Manuel Neuer (56) has kept more clean sheets than Leno (45) since the start of the 2014/15 Bundesliga season.
Stats can be used whichever way you want.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...inate-12711946
we should be all over this and nick a couple of those players
I hope we've tied up that yout Torreira, before he blows up at this WC
Absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
If Wenger was still here, he would say 'they are all good players but we are not in for them because we don't need any of them, our squad is top top top top qauliteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'.
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Not seen the guy play or read much about him but just based on the fact he is Uruguayan think he would be a good signing for us and the sort of no nonsense, tough player we need. Not to stereotype of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
Martins on a free from Sporting would be good, no excuses for not going for him, won't cost us a transfer fee.
Think there's a few clubs going in for him, doubt we'll get him.
What about William Carvalho, especially because wheelchair is bound to leave.
Torreira is the wheelchair replacement.
He’s not that sort of player at all going by what journalists who specialise in Italian football are saying. Hardly got booked last season but still won the ball back more times than anyone else in the league. Supposed to be quite resilient despite his size. A specialised defensive midfielder and regista who acts as the fulcrum for most attacking moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
And yet another former attacking midfielder who's made the switch to DM / DLP and is proving to be bloody good at it. Definite trend developing across Europe here - feels like we're actually ahead of the curve for once...Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Xhaka has signed a new long term contract apparently, how odd, he's been terrible for us, why are we giving him a new contract?
I would call it protecting the asset.....but seriously...who's going to take him off our hands for what we got him for or more.
Terrible profile of player.
If Xhaka isn’t asked to be a player he clearly isn’t then we’ll get a lot more from him.
He isn't a holding/defensive midfielder. He certainly isn't a box to box second midfielder....and he is far from the best attacking option we could pick in midfield. Somebody else should get more out of him.
His attributes are best used upfield - it’s something he’s said himself (“a false 10” whatever the hell that is). Playing alongside another player like Ramsey who also wants to get forward is just disastrous for us.
His best position is off the pitch. It doesn't matter where he plays, he's just not good enough. Hopefully it doesn't take Emery too long to figure that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
I'm glad Xhaka has signed up. Really good player.
Perhaps it was strategic.....but I fear Emery actually fancies him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
If Torreira comes in though and Emery likes Ramsey and Ozil as reported..... then Xhaka's place is nevertheless in some doubt.....though I suppose Torreira may not be first team straight away....
When he first started playing for us, he was played upfield and he struggled to make an impact. His long range pass is his best weapon. For his former club and Country he operated from a deep position but wasn't a DM.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
It's most likely he'll be playing alongside Ramsey considering all the talk around Emery thinking Ramsey is essential. We'd need a more defensive mid player to cover both of their defensive weaknesses if that's the case. If the plan is to play a three man midfield, that leaves no room for Ozil as a 10.
Thinking on the same page. Not a fan of Xhaka at all. We can find a use for him. There are ways to make a system work for such players. You only have to look at has previous teams. But I suspect Ozil will be pushed out wide and won't be playing as a 10. Again, if you look at how Emery has played similar playmakers, they often end up playing wide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I can't see a situation where he tries to accommodate these three in a central midfield. They're all really poor defensively and would need serious drilling.
A midfield double pivot of Xhaka & Torreria could be very special. Right blend of abilities.
Ramsey further forward & Lacazette/Auba/Ozil/Mkhi in the forward positions.
I really don't get why a player is so desirable to have in a team if he needs 1/2 of exactly the right players around him in the right system to function!!! It's madness. He's fast becoming one of those hipsters choice players that only the intellectuals understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
His biggest and pretty much only attribute he doesn't execute nearly consistently enough. I can remember very few more purposeless players that have been a mainstay in our midfield over the years.
I know what you mean. As soon as we have a injury in midfield, we might as well be down two players if one can't function without the other. You're right about Xhaka's speciality as well. It's never been vital to how we play or potent enough to give us an edge over any opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
We'll see what happens. Just watching the World Cup game and I like how Bilic described the Modric dilemma. Good enough to play deep to help control a game but then you feel you lose an attacking threat if not further up pitch. But play him to in an advanced and you lose his ability to dictate the pace of game from deep. That's the sort of problem I like to hear when talking of midfielders. You can build around that sort of problem. It should never be a case that you need 1 or 2 players to cover over the inadequacy of another player and you definitely don't build around that sort of midfielder.
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Originally Posted by Power n Glory
He'll want to play 4231 if he can - I think he likes having the 4 advanced players for the high press - so my guess is that we'll see Torreira and Xhaka as the deeper 2 (in a classic DM / DLP pairing), with Ramsey in the centre of the 3 behind the striker (where he'll give Emery the option of doubling-up as either a second CF or a 3rd CM as the game dictates). Very similar roles to Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard back in the day.
As you say, I expect Ozil and Mhiki will be pushed out to the wide roles in that row of 3 - possibly both will be in the same team to begin with due to lack of other options, but eventually I think Emery prefers one of his wide men to be more of a traditional winger and a goal threat, so the long-term plan might be to only play two of Ramsey, Ozil and Mhiki at any given time (possibly in a 2 games on 1 game off rotation to keep everyone fresh)?
Torreria - SECOND TIER
WAKE UP!
We're still rolling in the second rate league. Ivan and his boys have bought some goodwill by booting that loser Wenger, no doubt. But stopping the ship from sinking doesn't mean we're on good time for port. Two different things. Let's not forgive cheapskating and mediocrity because we made a brilliant gain by booting the last French nothingness. Yes, sure, Wenger had to go. But not so we could then sit around doing fuck all. And so far what we have is FUCK ALL. It won't do. Unless this Emery bloke is a tactical genius (which he isn't) then we are still left with the shit pile that fought it out with Burnley for 6th. Where's the spine in all of this? Cech, Kos, Xhaka - STILL? Anyone want to guess how that's going to turn out?
The "shit pile" was under the watch, control and instruction of Wenger. If you're complaining about the spine then you're effectively making an excuse for Wenger because this is what he had to make do with.
The fact is we have a new boss man and he'll want to see what he has available to him before he starts to make changes.
Players don't forget how to play, you can only do so much under someone who has lost all the attributes that once made him great. Wenger failed to adapt and, eventually, so did his teams. No point throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Have some patience.
Optimism all hinges on what you're pinning your hopes on - I think we all expect some essential investment in certain areas (GK, CB and DM), but if anyone is expecting us to go out and bring in 3 or 4 of the biggest, most expensive, most-established names out there then they're going to be profoundly disappointed with this coming season.
As I said, I'll expect to see a certain amount of investment, but in this first season I'll mostly be looking at what Emery can do with the group for the biggest gains. I don't think he'll even need to be a tactical genius to make a difference - just appreciate that things like urgency and intensity, tactics, shape, training to defend as well as attack, etc, etc are important and make some effort towards them...
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Originally Posted by Static
People expecting Emery to come in and sell all our players without assessing what he has :lol:
For years we've wanted a new spine and we're buying Leno, Sokratis and Torreira, with Lichtsteiner added in to give Bellerin some competition. That's a new spine full of experience and leaders.
Possibly another young CB coming too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Then there's Mavropanos and AMN who look like they'll be in regular rotation this season, and we've only had Aubameyang since January - the spine of the side that starts this campaign will be very different to the one the started last year's...
True, but clearly Xhaka isn't been assessed, he's been handed a new contract despite being awful for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps