Good Bye RVP!

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Originally Posted by Joker

He doesn't contribute anything positive to this part of the messageboard, apart from petty snipes and digs at other posters who he disagrees with.

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Apart from actually posting transfer info in transfer threads instead of whinging about wenger in EVERY thread.

And why can't I get cheap laughs at your expense... Given your name and all?
:lol:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

We signed Giroud after RVP had spoken to Wenger and Gazidis. He was set on going after the talks because they said something that didn't sit right with him. That was way back before the Euros and our only signing was Poldoski. Also, this isn't the first time RVP has stalled on signing a contract. On his previous deal, he was talking about 'sporting ambition' three years ago. Wenger probably gave him a song a dance back then and tried to reload the same tune on him during that meeting. He wasn't buying it. And let's be honest, we've heard what Wenger has had to say about our transfer strategy, fair play rules and hardly anyone is buying it. If anyone here is of the frame of mind that we can't compete with City and Chelsea because of their billionaire owners, then what do you think is going through the minds of the players? I have heard plenty of people on here blame our misfortunes on other clubs and it makes the whole situation sound hopeless. Players at our club could be thinking exactly the same thing and they don't believe that we can compete. Wenger says we can and that we need to stick to our guns. He probably told him the same thing three years ago. He's been singing the same tune to us fans in recent press conferences.

So yeah, had already decided to leave and the contract talks just confirmed it. We didn't finish off the season strongly and once again, Wenger didn't bring anyone in during the January transfer window even though we were running out of steam. We actually lost more players during that period because of the ACON and players being loaned out. We be seeing a change in policy now though. It's looking promising but that's after the RVP fall out and after Usmanov's scathing letter. If club had sat still and done nothing after all said and done, there would have been a severe backlash at the Emirates. Maybe recent events have been a kick up the backside for them. RVP is still here after all and reports are saying he may do a U-Turn. If he does, what then? Is he still scum of the earth, a one season wonder, a greedy mercenary and ungrateful? It would be water under the bridge if he stays and all will be forgotten.

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Of course we signed him afterwards, Montpellier were still playing for the league when that meeting took place. He either wanted assurances on the types of players we'd be after i.e their level or specific names, so long as they aren't strikers of course. You cite people on here lamenting us being unable to compete for trophies so players will too, which I guess means PL/CL but people also could recognise we needed more goals than just from RVP - the player we signed may have not been concluded as early as Podolski was but then, they rarely are. I'd hope RVP would be able to understand that too and not be annoyed because we've dared to buy strikers in.

Wenger could say whatever he wants in private but what we have actually done for once, is the proof. And this time the proof, as you admit, seems encouraging. You can mention the mistakes of last season as the build-up of frustration for the playing staff but you've already said that what Van Persie has done this summer has been a reaction of other things this summer, not because of the failure to sign more players in January or the players that went out on loan.

You're replying to me and I can't remember saying any of those things to Van Persie. As it is, if he was to say, I'd cheer the goal but not the goalscorer.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Key example of why RVP's statement doesn't make a blind bit of difference. Some fans will always find fault and jump to this conclusion when that's just not the case.

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I'm sorry, I thought you could detect the very tiny hint of sarcasm in my post.

It was very subtle tbf :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Of course we signed him afterwards, Montpellier were still playing for the league when that meeting took place. He either wanted assurances on the types of players we'd be after i.e their level or specific names, so long as they aren't strikers of course. You cite people on here lamenting us being unable to compete for trophies so players will too, which I guess means PL/CL but people also could recognise we needed more goals than just from RVP - the player we signed may have not been concluded as early as Podolski was but then, they rarely are. I'd hope RVP would be able to understand that too and not be annoyed because we've dared to buy strikers in.

Wenger could say whatever he wants in private but what we have actually done for once, is the proof. And this time the proof, as you admit, seems encouraging. You can mention the mistakes of last season as the build-up of frustration for the playing staff but you've already said that what Van Persie has done this summer has been a reaction of other things this summer, not because of the failure to sign more players in January or the players that went out on loan.

You're replying to me and I can't remember saying any of those things to Van Persie. As it is, if he was to say, I'd cheer the goal but not the goalscorer.

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I'm not saying RVP was miffed about us signing a strikers, you're totally missing the point. All well and good discussing this need for another striker but it ignores the fact that Grimandi has said that Giroud was RVP's replacement not an addition. We knew he wanted out and decided to sign an extra central striker. Unless we change formation, Giroud can't play up front with RVP. Why people use Poldoski and Giroud as examples of us moving forward, I disagree. We've signed those guys to cover the players we'll lose this summer.

What we're seeing now is encouraging but we'll never know if it was the original plan or a reaction to recent events. Also, RVP's reaction is a result of what's happened over the summer but he didn't wake up one morning and decide he wanted out. As said before, he said we needed to match his 'sporting ambition' during his last contract talks and he wasn't afraid to air things out then even though it could cause a bad reaction. I'm pretty sure it did way back then, because he was injured for most of the time when he said it. So this isn't something that's happened out of the blue. The icing on the cake was probably last summer when Cesc, Nasri and Clichy left. All three have won a major trophy since leaving Arsenal. The frustrations of last season and years before are part of the story and make up and there is no point looking at his statement in isolation. This isn't a straight forward story.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

I'm sorry, I thought you could detect the very tiny hint of sarcasm in my post.

It was very subtle tbf :rolleyes:

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Sorry, I just assumed you were an idiot. Jokes on me eh. <_<

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I'm not saying RVP was miffed about us signing a strikers, you're totally missing the point. All well and good discussing this need for another striker but it ignores the fact that Grimandi has said that Giroud was RVP's replacement not an addition. We knew he wanted out and decided to sign an extra central striker. Unless we change formation, Giroud can't play up front with RVP. Why people use Poldoski and Giroud as examples of us moving forward, I disagree. We've signed those guys to cover the players we'll lose this summer.

What we're seeing now is encouraging but we'll never know if it was the original plan or a reaction to recent events. Also, RVP's reaction is a result of what's happened over the summer but he didn't wake up one morning and decide he wanted out. As said before, he said we needed to match his 'sporting ambition' during his last contract talks and he wasn't afraid to air things out then even though it could cause a bad reaction. I'm pretty sure it did way back then, because he was injured for most of the time when he said it. So this isn't something that's happened out of the blue. The icing on the cake was probably last summer when Cesc, Nasri and Clichy left. All three have won a major trophy since leaving Arsenal. The frustrations of last season and years before are part of the story and make up and there is no point looking at his statement in isolation. This isn't a straight forward story.

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I'm not ignoring that fact but the key part is Grimandi said that after RVP released his statement (not that he said it quite as forthrightly as you make out). He never truly says Giroud is his replacement - only that we work to avoid being cornered and also it being complicated; that is because we want him to stay but he has only one year left. Exactly everything we already can deduce.

I'm not sure I understand the second paragraph - are you now saying that the PHW statement is what pushed him over the edge? Maybe it was a reaction to Van Persie what we're seeing now, if it is, then it is surely an effort to appease him with the benefit of improving the team, therefore Van Persie would render his previous statement completely null and void if he was to leave anyway.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Sorry, I just assumed you were an idiot. Jokes on me eh. <_<

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Man lighten up, this place is so depressing sometimes!

Fergie hasn't travelled with United to a friendly in Oslo because he is trying to wrap up a deal for RVP this week, apparently.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

I'm not ignoring that fact but the key part is Grimandi said that after RVP released his statement (not that he said it quite as forthrightly as you make out). He never truly says Giroud is his replacement - only that we work to avoid being cornered and also it being complicated that is because we want him to stay but he has only one year left. Exactly everything we already can deduce.

I'm not sure I understand the second paragraph - are you now saying that the PHW statement is what pushed him over the edge? Maybe it was a reaction to Van Persie what we're seeing now, if it is, then it is surely an effort to appease him with the benefit of improving the team, therefore Van Persie would render his previous statement completely null and void if he was to leave anyway.

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The second paragraph is an answer to this.

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You can mention the mistakes of last season as the build-up of frustration for the playing staff but you've already said that what Van Persie has done this summer has been a reaction of other things this summer, not because of the failure to sign more players in January or the players that went out on loan.

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If he stays then it's great news but if he still leaves it doesn't make his point null and void at all. If he goes to Man Utd, City or Juve, he'd still have a much better chance at winning silverware there compared to here.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Man lighten up, this place is so depressing sometimes!

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You didn't see the funny side in that?

(Remember to add smiley) :lol: