True? False? Subject to Wenger stomping all over it?
Never heard of the guy, apart from what I have read here:
https://le-grove.co.uk/2017/11/17/ca...-hero-signing/
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True? False? Subject to Wenger stomping all over it?
Never heard of the guy, apart from what I have read here:
https://le-grove.co.uk/2017/11/17/ca...-hero-signing/
Are we starting to see a power struggle between arsene and Ivan? I can't imagine arsene is too happy with Steve Rowley being moved on. Maybe Ivan is making decisions over wengers head to show him what's what, after being ridiculed last season. Maybe he wants to show Wenger whos boss.
Finally someone standing up to Wenger:bow:
Rowley was reported to be wanting to leave because he'd had enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...t-Gunners.html
I think we're just scouting out a replacement.
Sounds as if gazidis has said some home truths which has riled and annoyed Rowley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
https://www.arsenal.com/news/sven-mi...ad-recruitment
About time we sorted out our recruitment.
Jesus is that what Rowley looks like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Looks like Brian Dennehy
Signing these guys for the backroom is all very good but it only really works with the right working environment where you have the freedom to do as you please, that doesn't exist at Arsenal with Wenger in charge.
Don't expect to see players like Aubameyang or Dembele anytime soon, Wenger will always have final say and he'll be wanting to keep his track record of almost signing worldies intact.
I can't remember the last player we bought where I felt we'd unearthed a gem. It's mostly been a mash up of overpriced and overrated junk.
Lets hope this guy can find us some top players. We might have money now but it's not an unlimited supply, so its vital that our recruitment is on point in order for us to compete with the top teams. Spurs have shown the improvements that can be made with simple coaching combined with good recruitment.
Wenger needs to get the fuck out of the way now and let this guy do a job he's already proved he can do.
Alas, I can already see Wenger inviting him into his office to share the latest great master plan and show his his, "My Way or the Highway", coffee mug.
https://i.gyazo.com/e1ae6b2188b1ed49...a0672c31a4.jpg
He has a decent record.
Yeah that's what I'm worried about, all these appointments are token gestures if Wenger gets involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm worried about that too but let's hope what's on offer to Wenger at least changes from the crop of crap we have had over the years to the likes of bender, auba and lewandowski. Logic suggests he'll be making a decision from a higher standard of players than what Rowley had on offer:shrug:
Telegraph says that Sven will answer to Gazidis. Considering what he has gone through at Dortmund with Tuchel, I can't imagine him signing on for a club where he'll be at odds with the manager again. Job title sounds like he is more than just a scout.
Either way, if Wenger plans on sticking around, he needs to play ball. Can't make excuses about lack of signings and drop sly nuggets about 'not being the only one' involved now that we have a new team around him. Sounds like Rowley was his sacrificial lamb on that front. Dick Law as well. We'll see how this pans out but it's a good move for the club. Sets us up well for life without Wenger.
Sounds as if gazidis wants the guy to report into him so he has the final say instead of Wenger. This way Wenger can't bat away the suggestions.
It's an interesting little scenario opening up between Wenger and gazidis. Gazidis seems adamant to apply the catalyst for change he was talking about. Hopefully this is a way of slowly eroding wengers power to a point where he can be gone.
Somebody needs to find a catalyst for getting the wallet out in January or else we are in deep, deep shit. Even then, I can't see this new guy being able to come in a few weeks in advance and run an effective window. It all seems to have been left until the last minute as usual.
Replacing ozil is easy. Not worried about that.
Sanchez is the worry. Saw an article saying we were after mahrez. Can definetly see Wenger doing that.
I have no real hopes for this season. Best we can hope for is a Top 4 finish or the Uefa Cup, maybe another FA Cup and give Wenger the perfect platform to fuck off.
Would be interesting to hear Rowley's side of the story. The press have said he's had enough of taking the blame. From who? It sounds as if he's getting the blame from both Wenger and Gazidis. When things are slow in the transfer front, Wenger passes the buck and says he's not the only one involved when it comes to signings. But he's also quick to drop names when the latest big name in football moves to a rival club and add them to the legendary 'we could have signed him' list. If he's aware of these players, how comes we still drop the ball? Surely, Rowley has done his job if he spots these players before anyone else?
We won't sign anyone in January, there's noone available remember, big clubs don't want to sell their players then. We're already in trouble, we're losing 80 million worth of talent and will look to spend less than half that to replace them, this club is going down the pan, I don't hold any hope of improvement because noone really gives a damn at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Of the big clubs we're in by far the worst state, so much for Wenger leaving us in a good place, as a club we're a total mess with assets about to walk away for free, no wish to spend more than we recoup and no direction.
These one off wins against decent clubs just help keep the old dinosaur in the job and from what we can see he'll be there for a long time yet.
Me neither, we're not in the top 4 sides now but top 4 is possible if other clubs mess us, I think we'll struggle though, as for the Europa league, some decent teams are going to end up in there and I don't much fancy our chances against tactically superior opposition, we've got an outside chance at best, we haven't been all that great against a bunch of nobodies so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Wenger doesn't want to spend that's the issue, he'll only spend what he can recoup (maybe a little more) so that he can deliver a profit, that's his goal, he's more of an accountant than manager, but with our two top players walking away for free, that should impact his profit making significantly, in fact the only thing he does well he'll have failed at as well.
All in all one big failure on all fronts.
From what I can gather, bit of A bit of B
Wenger and Gazidis are definitely making him a scapegoat for their own blundering in the summer. But Rowley is known to be terrible at his job. If Gazidis has decided to make an example of one of Wengers sacred cows (well not that sacred, I imagine Wenger would be prepared to throw anyone under the bus to protect himself) than it’s a positive step but then again this new guy can recommend as many players as he likes, if Wengers beloved Stat DNA program doesn’t concur it won’t mean a tuppeny fuck.
Personally I’d be happy to get rid of Ospina, Ramsey, Coquelin, Xhaka, Debuchy, Jenkinson, Chambers, Monreal (too old and too slow) and Walcott this summer.
Get in proper long term replacement for Cech, new left back, new centre back, new back up right back, a midfielder like Kondogbia at Valencia, a rosicky type player, a cazorla type player, an Ozil type player and a winger/attacker
True enough. What's really happened here is the club has sacrificed the team in order to keep the manager. Regardless of signings and other staff appointments, that's what's going to kill us in the end. This dreadful decision speaks volumes about the true ambitions of the club.
Stat DNA isn't Wenger's programme. Kroenke wanted Stat DNA and pushed for it. It's the whole Moneyball philosophy that Stan loves. Identifying undervalued players and it's partly why he loves Wenger. My guess is we brought in this new system to help an out of date guy like Rowley but came up with duds. This new Sven guy is supposed to know how to work new tech like StatDNA so if he comes up with some jewels, he'll be in Stan's good books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Sven's record at Dortmund speaks for itself and that should hold some weight when he gives his recommendations on who we sign. If we don't see results, I think the spotlight goes on Wenger. If Stan is serious about spending as little as possible, this new appointment should be his new golden goose. It should be clear to all now that Wenger has lost it.
Kroenke May have pushed for it but Wenger is a definite convert, this is why he comes out with that expected goals tripe
I'm with you, this will never happen though, too many players out and too many in, at best we'll see 2 maybe 3. There's a lot of work needed on the squad, work that under the current regime just isn't going to be done, it'll be the usual frustrating summer with an early signing in the summer and precious little else until closer to the season (at least they've changed the window so that the window closes before the season starts).Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The reality is the club isn't too bothered about losing players or indeed replacing them as long as it doesn't have to spend too much, once done they'll spin it positively as they always do.
In truth the spotlight is never on Wenger, he's had every excuse under the sun and still some find more excuses for him, it's all about Wenger but somehow he manages to get a new contract despite of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I'd like to think this guy would make a difference, the reality is with Wenger around he probably won't, after all he has all the say on players.
I've come to the realisation the old goat won't leave until he himself has had enough. How he survived last season I'll never know. He failed to meet his KPI, there was fan pressure and a few above him wanted him gone but he still managed to stay.
The fan pressure unfortunately has come too late, the years where we should have been doing something we were told to be quiet and that we weren't real fans.
I've been through stages where I've wanted us to lose and for the team to play shite in the hope that the old goat pisses off but he still signs contract after contract. What does that achieve? He'll still plow through and get his payrise. So we might as well try and enjoy the ride in the depressing process:shrug:
My only hope is that it ends up being a commercial decision or gazidis does enough to convince Stan about the dinosaurs tactics & methods.
Regarding the former, 2 Europa league seasons in a row hopefully hits them commercially and makes the rest of the board smell the coffee to the point they think 'crap, we need a change'. But Wenger has about 15 lives so even that probably won't be enough.
I get that retirement is a daunting prospect, but surely he’s banked enough money to have as many dusty coloured whores as his heart desires.
Failing that he can open a football academy for kids with AIDs in Guadeloupe
I can’t help but feel we are being punished because he cant stand his giraffe like estranged wife....no one made you marry her. It was only Spurs fans being cunts that started those naughty rumours
When you gain power and wealth, the last thing you want to do is give it up. Power breeds power. When you smell money, you want more.
He also has no wife and kids to go home to because he had an affair and they've left him. So football is literally the only thing in his life. He has no family.
Fergie retired to spend time with his wife but wenger isn't in the same position. That's why post football life is so daunting to him. Its going to be a lonely, daunting retirement.
The whole no repercussions thing is what makes this club the worst club in the world to support, you know that nothing will change regardless of the situation, last season was a disaster and it's been spin intoa positive, this season has been a disaster so far and all we hear is hard luck stories and rubbish about spirit and mental strength.
Any normal person would realise our season so far has been a car crash, unfortunately noone at the club does, they think we're overperforming, that's despite being the most expensive club to watch
https://www.theguardian.com/football...ulista-signingQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I don't think Wenger is all the way sold on Stat DNA. With all the duds we've signed, I don't think he knows what's doing or signing off on. He's always been a stat guy and he used to quote stats to Bergkamp to justify benching him. They used to get into huge arguments over it.
But the overall point is, Wenger earned his messiah status at Arsenal because of his ability to create teams from undervalued players that could play just as well or even better than the heavyweight spenders. We banked on building the Emirates because of this. It's his philosophy that attracted Stan to coming to London and buying shares in Arsenal. There was nobody else at the club that had the sort of knowledge Wenger had when it came to football.
This new appointment changes that. We now finally have someone that knows football with the record to prove it. If Stan is still pursuing this Moneyball philosophy and he's familiar with Sven Mislintat's record at Dortmund, I can't imagine him not holding him up as a new sort of 'Wenger' figure when it comes to transfers. If Wenger pushes back and we still look like shit when it comes to renewing his contract again, I can't see him wanting to keep Wenger. Considering he's on a two year deal and Wenger recently spoke about contract talks at the end of this season, I suspect we're gearing up for Wenger's transition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41760850Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
I dunno. When have you ever heard of a contract review when he still has a year left on his contract? Why would they even offer him a 2 year deal instead of a 4 or 5 year deal?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....ytics.amp.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
This suggests he’s far more of a convert albeit a reluctant one
Again I think a program like this is only as useful as the person and the data they want to extrapolate from it
This suggests that this is probably behind the seemingly lunatic insistence on not playing Lacazette for a whole 90 minutes
Again I think it’s good to have such a resource at our disposal, same with Dortmund’s former chief scout. But ultimately it might all be a waste of time as long as Wenger is here.
I think the idea that their patience with him is inexhaustible is probably wide of the mark, although it can seem that way because of the AGM which was an exercise in full on Wenger defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
The two year extension is probably as much down to his age as anything. And no you’re right there haven’t been previous one year reviews before, but whether it’s a meaningful review or a tick box exercise geared as a way of saying to fans yes we understand your concerns and we will pretend to take them on board, Remain to be seen.
Is it possible that if we lose Sanchez and Ozil and fall outside the top four Wenger might do the decent thing and walk away?. Yes but given what he did last summer it’s not a big one, I do think part of him would want to walk away but I think he’s driven by a fear of retirement and this belief that he can turn things around.
Whether Gazidis wants to or is able to influence Kroenke more than he did last summer who knows, Kroenke wants minimum hassle and that means keeping Wenger unless the club is in relegation crisis.
I really hope you're right but I don't see it happening. You're forgetting that Stan is literally in love with Wenger. I remember reading an article where he says he loves Wenger for his drive, professionalism and work ethic. It sounds as if he's completely besotted with the guy. I even think he said Wenger was the reason why he invested in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I agree with Herbert on the 2 year extension, it's a compromise because of wengers age. Wenger himself admitted he questioned whether he wanted to carry on and the board know he's on his last legs, so the board probably see 2 years as more fitting.
The thing that interests me is that this appointment is clearly a strictly gazidis appointment. No way would Wenger have wanted someone in with that much knowledge, experience and respect in the game because he sees that as a threat. This guy as you say has a stellar reputation and Wenger doesnt like things like that as he views it as a threat to his control. Someone that matches him. IMO it shows that the choice is purely down to gazidis, which is a move away from the past where Wenger would have not only had a say, but pretty much made the final decision.
The idea of a power struggle is starting to grow in my mind and that provides light at the end of the tunnel.
Wenger apparently wants Van Bronckhorst to replace him as manager when he finally leaves :lol:
That would be the final nail in the coffin. Suggesting someone crap so he doesn't do better than you and we slide further down the table :lol:
Best thing to do when he quits would be to never let him have anything to do with the club ever again, you can't have him around he just wouldn't let a new manager get on with his work, he shouldn't have a say in the next manager and should have nothing at all to do with the football side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Would Van Bronchitis be so terrible as long as we have a proper coaching team around him
My attitude is we don’t need a world class manager, we just need a young, innovative one. I know the Eredivise isn’t particularly the cream of European football, but he won the league with Feyenoord.
He wouldn’t be my number one choice, but I think he’d be worth shortlisting
I'd be keen to get a motivator in, what we really seem to lack is belief and hunger, a manager who can motivate could work wonders. Not sure if GVB fits into that category or not to be honest, he's relatively unproven though.
The problem with Wenger having any kind of say over our next manager is that basically all he cares about is 5 yard passing football, we really want to move away from that though, because firstly it's boring and secondly it just hasn't worked for 10+ years.
What constitutes good football and what Wenger thinks good football is are two very different things.
I don't think it would take a world class manager to motivate and coach this squad into a well balanced team, some of the issues we have are so fundamental that most modern coaches would identify and nip them in the bud straight away. Ideally we'd want someone with a track record of success but then you're narrowing the pool significantly. The best managers in the game are all in top jobs, so the chances are we'd have to take a punt on someone young and innovative.
I don't know how good Gio is but it's that sort of profile of manager we'd need to at least look at.