Wenger Slaughterhouse

Chamakh :lol:
Yeah, I bet his old team are gutted he's not with them any more!

If we sign wonder kids for small fees then the key word there is 'kids'. We're taking a risk that they may not developed as hoped. Walcott was a kid anyway and we still paid a lot for him. I'm not going to argue that Southampton's promotion to the PL is a direct result of the money we've given them for him and Ox but losing those players doesn't seem to have harmed them too much as they're back in the top division.

Lower league teams and relegated probably are getting more money than they used to, but if they're getting twice as much as they used, while PL teams are getting 10 times as much as they used to and wages and transfer fees are 10 times what they used to then they're still worse off overall.
(I made those figures up, obviously, but I think the gaps have got bigger and the transfer fees and wages have gone up exponentially)

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Originally Posted by Letters

Chamakh :lol:
Yeah, I bet his old team are gutted he's not with them any more!

If we sign wonder kids for small fees then the key word there is 'kids'. We're taking a risk that they may not developed as hoped. Walcott was a kid anyway and we still paid a lot for him. I'm not going to argue that Southampton's promotion to the PL is a direct result of the money we've given them for him and Ox but losing those players doesn't seem to have harmed them too much as they're back in the top division.

Lower league teams and relegated probably are getting more money than they used to, but if they're getting twice as much as they used, while PL teams are getting 10 times as much as they used to and wages and transfer fees are 10 times what they used to then they're still worse off overall.
(I made those figures up, obviously, but I think the gaps have got bigger and the transfer fees and wages have gone up exponentially)

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losing those players doesn't seem to have harmed them too much as they're back in the top division.

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Unbelievable. Then what are we complaining about?

This is a double standard because you're saying it's okay for us to cherry pick from the smaller clubs and talk as if it doesn't harm them and that the money they get compensates. But it's a different set of rules for Arsenal when City do it to us. Why is it damaging to us and not them? You always argue that we're in stagnation, so why is that?

I've explained why above. Because it's far harder for us to replace those players.

Walcott and Ox weren't Southampton's star players, they were up and coming prospects who were always going to go to bigger clubs if they continued to develop. Nasri, Fabregas and RvP were our best players and we're at a higher level so there's far fewer players of that level to try and replace them with.
And with clubs like City and Chelsea able to outbid us for players of that level and pay far higher wages than we can it's very hard for us to compete for those players.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I've explained why above. Because it's far harder for us to replace those players.

Walcott and Ox weren't Southampton's star players, they were up and coming prospects who were always going to go to bigger clubs if they continued to develop. Nasri, Fabregas and RvP were our best players and we're at a higher level so there's far fewer players of that level to try and replace them with.
And with clubs like City and Chelsea able to outbid us for players of that level and pay far higher wages than we can it's very hard for us to compete for those players.

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I disagree because it's just as hard for them to replace those players. Maybe even harder because these guys have the potential to become world class players. Once they lose them, they have no chance of signing another player with such potential.

World class players aren't going to hang around at a Championship, or even a mid-table PL side, anyway :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Letters

World class players aren't going to hang around at a Championship, or even a mid-table PL side, anyway :shrug:

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Unless, of course, they enjoy being the king big dick at a minor club, I see Bale's signed another 4 year contract.

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Originally Posted by Letters

World class players aren't going to hang around at a Championship, or even a mid-table PL side, anyway :shrug:

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The scouting system has changed and now players are moving at a much younger age. That wasn't always the case. Most players would usually get a few seasons under their belt with their first club. That doesn't happen now.

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Originally Posted by V-Pig

Well, realistically, that's capitalism. Why would a football club pay more than it has to for a player without special reason? Generally, they'll pay whatever the club will accept. And if Arsenal started deliberately paying massively over the odds for Championship players they'd soon be reduced to a lesser level themselves.

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Well, you could argue that when City buy our players, it's just capitalism as well. They are richer, more successful in recent years and can offer players more. It's the free market in Labour. And when people bemoan that City distort the market by offering huge wages and transfer fees, that's not a distortion, that's demand and supply. If you believe in the free market (which it seems a fair number of Wenger and/or Kroenke supporters are) then you can't compel City to offer lower wages as it's their free choice of what package they offer employees.

And if you think the relationship between Premiership club and those in the Championship is mutually beneficial, read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...demy-plan.html

The new EPP and academy system will make it much easier for Premiership clubs to poach young players from all over the country, and will damage clubs in the lower division. Sure, it's not Arsenal just at fault here, it's the whole premiership, but unequal exchange and "exploitation" goes on at all levels, and we can't feel sorry for ourselves when Man City buy our players, as the gap in power between us is much less than the gap between us and the teams from whom we take youngsters.

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And if you think the relationship between Premiership club and those in the Championship is mutually beneficial, read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...demy-plan.html

The new EPP and academy system will make it much easier for Premiership clubs to poach young players from all over the country, and will damage clubs in the lower division. Sure, it's not Arsenal just at fault here, it's the whole premiership, but unequal exchange and "exploitation" goes on at all levels, and we can't feel sorry for ourselves when Man City buy our players, as the gap in power between us is much less than the gap between us and the teams from whom we take youngsters.

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Which is why it is annoying.

Because the players that leave us are established players. And they're only leaving for money.

Players leave the smaller clubs to develop, as well as to increase their wages. Let's face it. Every you player dreams of playing in the premiership.

But it's much more to do with football than it is for the likes of Nasri, RVP et al.