:doh: You've resorted to Wenger tribute videos :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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:doh: You've resorted to Wenger tribute videos :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Leave him to it. The strongest criticism he'll hear is "can't push us on". After that Wenger is faultless. Letters will refer to anything except Wenger's record. Now he's rolling out tribute videos for the man he claims he wants gone. Battered wife syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Like i say the comments Dein makes are exactly the same almost word for word as comments he made about Wenger many years previous when they were working together. They have as i've said not worked together since 2007, and there is a noticeable deterioration in Wenger's reaction to defeats, can he still be irrascible in interviews etc yes.....but if you look and compare there is incandescence in his earlier days, and an engimatic shrug and a few stock phrases these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It would seem counter-intuitive to suggest he still has the same intensity and desire to win that he had, i think finances have been a factor but i think because defeat and failure have become far more common he has become desensitised to it, and i genuinely don't think defeat hurts his pride enough for him to change things dramatically.
Either that or he is deluded or stupid, i don't think he's deluded or stupid i am pretty sure you don't either...what's the more likely?
Another example in 2005, Mourinho labels Wenger a voyeur and Wenger is up in arms and calls Mourinho disrespectful and makes the comment "if you give stupid people success it makes them more stupid"
In 2014 the specialist in failure comment, Wenger seems noticeably more relaxed about it and says something to the effect of "i'm embarassed for him"
Wenger seems more comfortable with mediocrity, he makes a remark which touches upon this during his time at Grampus Eight. He felt the application and hard work was coming from his players, but what was missing was a hatred and determination not to be beaten.
I think he's lost that determination.
"Every defeat is a scar, in your heart, that remains for life - and it's a moment where you suffer, really." - Wenger
Who buys it? Season after season losing the crucial games, witnessing the collapses, coming up short time and time again. That's a hell of a lot of scar tissue and suffering. But still not enough to modify his methods or get the chequebook out.
He might well want to win. But he doesn't prepare to win. He might well hate losing. But he sets himself up to lose. Whose fault? Everyone can talk. Actions speak louder and results are what managers are judged on.
There's a big difference between wanting to win and doing everything in your power to try and make sure you win. Wenger wants to win, no doubt about that but ifwhen he loses his attitude is more one of "sh*t happens" than hurt.
The real winners who will do anything they can to win are obvious to see, they tend to react very badly to defeat sometimes doing things which can be perceived as over the top and embarrassing in brings out the bad loser in them.
Wenger these days seems to accept defeat with a shrug, you sometimes even see him give a wry smile and he invariably mentions the fact all we can do is to focus on the next game.
As someone said Dein is talking about something that happened almost a decade ago, he's a different proposition now, very much use to losing and someone who now prioritises financial success over success on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I just don't see that hurt these days, like I said the only thing that gets his back up is if someone dares to question his methods. In reality he's got over pretty lightly, a lot more awkward questions should have been asked by now, like why we're in the same position again after collapsing and effectively handing the title to the others, where is this mental strength he always talks about (it's ironic he mentioned something along those lines after the Everton match - this after a collapse of monumental proportions where the team showed fragility beyond belief), what is he going to change or do differently to try and stop this cycle of collapses we see every season, is he going to move on players who are injured all of the time or keep faith in them in the hope they stay fit yet again? There's a lot more but that would be a start.
To Wenger every loss or calamitous capitulation from a winning position can be firmly parked in the corner marked. "Bad Luck". thats why he is all smiles and sunshine at the start of each season. Luck to him is some nebulous yet effective substance that is lobbed indiscriminately from on high by capricious Gods. He believes he has not gotten what all his hard work deserves. Many CL and PL titles have been lost due to bad luck.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Frankly it's human mentality, some people if there is no pressure on them to do their up't most won't. There is no doubt I could put much more effort into my job than I do, but frankly I don't get any thanks for doing so and I don't get any comeuppance for doing the bare minimum so why should I do anymore than that.
It cannot escape Wenger that he's under more pressure to achieve if he spends more, and we have evidence from 2014/2015 where the guy spent almost 100million on transfers that it doesn't make any great change to what he is able to accomplish. If you add Ozil from the previous season and state that 140million worth of players has given him 2 FA cups even by the craziness of the current transfer market that's scant return.
I don’t think that is true. The problem is that Wenger still romanticises the game, which allows him to be wrapped up in high-horse moral stance. Aside from allowing this to hamper the way he manages the squad, it also means he blames a multitude of factors away from himself. I’m sure he recognises some mistakes – that’s just human – but he places the blame of the key problems elsewhere. You see him on the side-lines thumping the turf, kicking bottles, shunning handshakes, arguing with 4th officials and sometimes opposing managers. He snipes at the press and fans because he is extremely pissed off at it going wrong. He desperately wants to win, but win on his terms only and it is dementing him. He cares deeply but the methods he uses prevent him from seeing the bare naked truth of the situation, so round-and-round he goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim