That must never happen eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
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That must never happen eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
Ok you want wenger out, who do you think are in a position to make that happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
Even with the one thing that nobody could argue isn't in the hands of the board, an action which you see as necessary for the sake of the club, you refuse to criticise them one iota.
The only virus on here is the blind cock fondling of the board from people like you. Shall we call it boarditis?
New manager: Arsene I want to sign "Atopplayer"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Arsene: How old is he
New manager: 26
Arsene: Do you not think he's a bit old, it doesn't make a lot of sense economically
New manager: He's got quite a few years left Arsene and is already a top player who has delivered at the highest level
Arsene: What about the future, we need to build for the future...do you think he will still be around
New manager: I don't see why not Arsene he's got a fair few years and will most likely play on into his 30's
Arsene: We don't like keeping players in their 30's, will he accept a pay cut and one year contract
New manager: I'm not sure Arsene
Arsene: Is he super quality?
New manager: I'm not sure what you mean Arsene, but he's top class and has performed in the CL and was great at the World Cup and has also been consistently good in Spain
Arsene: How much will he cost, we can't buy players for 50 million you know
New manager: He's available for 16 million Arsene, I know it seems a lot but he's proven at the highest level
Arsene: You can make them an offer of up to 8.2 million but start at 5 so you can bid up, we don't want to spend more than that as we have to live in the real world and we have many young players which we don't want to kill
New manager: I'm not sure we'll get him for that Arsene
Arsene: We've got all summer, just keep negotiating and we'll get him at the right price, the deal needs to be right for Arsenal
New manager: If you say so Arsene
I'm conflicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
It's not a conspiracy theory to suggest that this mess is not entirely Wenger's doing. We have a board who have some influence on the club and we have Wenger who does too. I take the point that Wenger arguably has more say in things than a lot of managers but the suggestion that he is COMPLETELY in charge of things and thus solely to blame for the mess is just plain wrong. IMO. As for how much say Wenger has...well, none of us really know but the board sit above Wenger and I would suggest if there are disagreements about how to do things (and there are some rumblings that there are) then the board would have the final say, not Wenger. The board employ Wenger, not the other way around.
The collapse last season was entirely down to Wenger, the mental weakness in the squad, the lack of defensive organisation. I blame him solely for those things and I think he should have been sacked for that. The utter balls up that has been this summer's transfer dealings. I'm not convinced that is entirely down to him.
As for whether I want him sacked now...well, like I said I'm conflicted. I think you're being naive if you think a new manager is going to come in and we're going to start spending big and everything will be great again. And I think some people are under-estimating how hard it is to keep a club top 4 while other clubs with far bigger spending power than us throw money around - many managers have tried and failed to spend big to get and keep a team in the top 4, how much has 'Arry and other Spurs managers spent and while they did sneak in there one year they didn't sustain it (mostly 'cos of City, but still).
In brief, I'd never disrespect the man 'cos I remember what things were like before he came and he's taken us places I never dreamed we'd go. I've seen the Double, twice. The unbeaten season. A few other trophies and a style of football in the early noughties I never thought I'd see us play. We're in the new stadium because of Wenger. We see a finish outside the top 4 as a major disappointment because of Wenger. That shouldn't be forgotten.
There is certainly less to lose by sacking him now though, top 4 is going to be a real scrap this year. I wouldn't write us off. We'll probably lose on Sunday but it's a long season so we'll see. I wouldn't cry if he left (as I would have done in the good days) but it wouldn't surprise me if we end up getting worse still when he goes.
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Originally Posted by Ach
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You've probably done it in this thread if i cba reading it
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
So basically you say you want him sacked, but you're not actually sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
So everytime you tell us you think he should be sacked, it's not really true. Your argument makes more sense now, that's fair enough and up to you but you can't keep saying you said you wanted him sacked when actually you're not sure he should be.
Sounds to me like you're behind him and want him to stay.
I just want us to try! If AW bought the necessary players, changed tactics and we didnt succeed, I'd say we tried but we are not even trying. Assuming the board has given AW backing to spend then its criminal what AW is doing (I believe in this theory). A new manager would do things differently.. Youth policy not working, get experienced ones, defense looking like a leaking oil spill, get it sorted... GIVE IT A FUCKIN TRY AT LEAST! Thats all I ask..Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
I don't think that change is going to come unless there is a change at board level. In any case, voting yes certainly isn't the blind stupidity you make it out to be!Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
Just skimmed through a few more pages and i see the board being blamed quite a bit rather than Wenger.
They are both as bad as each other.
Also does anyone seriously think Wenger isnt in total control? Really? If he wasnt then he'd walk. You just have to look back to what hes said to whenever hes been linked to the Real Madrid job, a club where the president runs the show and the manager gets the critisism if it goes wrong hence they have had 50 managers in the past 10 seasons or something.
Wenger is totally to blame for the footballing side of things such as on the pitch shit and the buying or to be more accurate the lack of buying players etc
Board is to blame for not putting pressure on Wenger to produce and just sitting back and see the money rolling in from the most expensive tickets around.