Summer transfer joy and happiness

2 people I know said he was a good player in Germany :coffee:

WUMger ruined him :coffee:

From everything we've seen doesn't look much good, really doesn't do a lot, if I'm honest I don't know what the point of him is, he doesn't bring anything to the teams he plays for, he just sits there does his 5 yard passing thing.

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Originally Posted by Static

The "shit pile" was under the watch, control and instruction of Wenger. If you're complaining about the spine then you're effectively making an excuse for Wenger because this is what he had to make do with.

The fact is we have a new boss man and he'll want to see what he has available to him before he starts to make changes.

Players don't forget how to play, you can only do so much under someone who has lost all the attributes that once made him great. Wenger failed to adapt and, eventually, so did his teams. No point throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Have some patience.

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Spot on. I don't see how anyone can argue that we had a bad manager AND bad players.
No manager should come in and completely dismantle the squad in one season. The argument that made sense to me was that Wenger wasn't getting the best out of them, wasn't setting up the team right, wasn't adjusting tactics depending on the opposition. At least give Emery a chance to work with this lot before making your "Emery Out" banners.

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Originally Posted by Letters

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Spot on. I don't see how anyone can argue that we had a bad manager AND bad players.

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Why not? Was it not the manager that chose to bring those players in and on the basis that he is a bad manager it goes to follow he may well have brought in bad players does it not?

Personally I agree it's a mix of both, the manager wasn't good enough but he also brought in sub standard players that we should have never signed in the 1st place, now it seems those substandard players are getting a 2nd chance and in some cases (Xkaka) a new contract.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Why not? Was it not the manager that chose to bring those players in and on the basis that he is a bad manager it goes to follow he may well have brought in bad players does it not?

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The results indicate they're not that bad. And that's with a manager who wasn't getting the best out of them, isn't tactically astute.

Last season was a car crash, granted. Even then we got to the semi-final of the Europa League and finished 6th - nowhere near good enough for a club of our size, but it was mostly the result of an unprecedentedly bad away form, if we'd been half decent away we'd have been much closer to the top 4. I don't think an away form that bad will be repeated. I think this squad is good enough to challenge for the top 4, the season before last we were close to top 4 and we won the FA Cup. This is not a bad squad. I think a manager who can get the best out of them could push this squad into the top 4 and build from then. I don't expect us to sweep all before us but no manager could achieve that, too many clubs have too much money now. But I wouldn't want any manager to have a massive clear out, let's at least see what Emery can get out of them first. If you think a bad manager can win trophies with them and the worst he managed to do is finish 6th then isn't it fair to see what a different manager could do?

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Originally Posted by Cripps

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People expecting Emery to come in and sell all our players without assessing what he has :lol:

For years we've wanted a new spine and we're buying Leno, Sokratis and Torreira, with Lichtsteiner added in to give Bellerin some competition. That's a new spine full of experience and leaders.

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Looks like we're shaping up to be the Iceland of the PL. Workmanlike. Solid. And I suppose that's a start. Provided it's not the finish. An uninspiring start that will probably prevent us chucking games against the lower half of the table. Whether these experienced, salt of the earth types can do much against our supposed rivals, well hopefully they can.

Very short period between the end of the world cup and the transfer window closing, relative to normal seasons.

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Originally Posted by Letters

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Spot on. I don't see how anyone can argue that we had a bad manager AND bad players.
No manager should come in and completely dismantle the squad in one season. The argument that made sense to me was that Wenger wasn't getting the best out of them, wasn't setting up the team right, wasn't adjusting tactics depending on the opposition. At least give Emery a chance to work with this lot before making your "Emery Out" banners.

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Of course not one single person has called for the manager to go before a ball is kicked. But it's not a surprise you go there. In fact it would be surprising if you didn't.

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Originally Posted by Letters

The results indicate they're not that bad. And that's with a manager who wasn't getting the best out of them, isn't tactically astute.

Last season was a car crash, granted. Even then we got to the semi-final of the Europa League and finished 6th - nowhere near good enough for a club of our size, but it was mostly the result of an unprecedentedly bad away form, if we'd been half decent away we'd have been much closer to the top 4. I don't think an away form that bad will be repeated. I think this squad is good enough to challenge for the top 4, the season before last we were close to top 4 and we won the FA Cup. This is not a bad squad. I think a manager who can get the best out of them could push this squad into the top 4 and build from then. I don't expect us to sweep all before us but no manager could achieve that, too many clubs have too much money now. But I wouldn't want any manager to have a massive clear out, let's at least see what Emery can get out of them first. If you think a bad manager can win trophies with them and the worst he managed to do is finish 6th then isn't it fair to see what a different manager could do?

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Massive clear out? Is that what was being said?

I wonder will you ever stop your nonsense?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Looks like we're shaping up to be the Iceland of the PL. Workmanlike. Solid. And I suppose that's a start. Provided it's not the finish. An uninspiring start that will probably prevent us chucking games against the lower half of the table. Whether these experienced, salt of the earth types can do much against our supposed rivals, well hopefully they can.

Very short period between the end of the world cup and the transfer window closing, relative to normal seasons.

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It's boring, but the solid, workmanlike element is what we need to add to this team. We have a good foundation for the exciting side of things already (enough to be getting on with anyway), but without something stable to anchor it to it all just flies apart whenever we have to deal with any kind of adversity. As you say, it can't be the finish, but it does feel like the right place to start.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

It's boring, but the solid, workmanlike element is what we need to add to this team. We have a good foundation for the exciting side of things already (enough to be getting on with anyway), but without something stable to anchor it to it all just flies apart whenever we have to deal with any kind of adversity. As you say, it can't be the finish, but it does feel like the right place to start.

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Enough of the nimble, creative players. Time to give the team a backbone and bring in some men.

Ornstein has spoken, sounds like the Leno deal is close.

Cool.

I feel like this is a no-lose situation for us really. Leno will probably spell the end for Ospina (seeings how we've just given Cech no.1 jersey), and with Cech also near the end of his contract / retirement we'll probably be after a second keeper before too much longer anyway. If Leno lives up to his potential then great! We'll only have to look for a solid backup. And if he doesn't then he can be the backup and we'll look for a new first choice. Hopefully we'll be back in the CL by that point, which will make life a bit easier...

I hope he's the backup....

Spiderman is the backup

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

I hope he's the backup....

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First choice I reckon, though he may rotate with Cech a bit to start with.

I am not convinced about Leno, he's been a bit meh the last couple of seasons, he looked like a genuine potential worldie about 3 or 4 years ago so the potential is definitely there.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Torreria - SECOND TIER

WAKE UP!

We're still rolling in the second rate league. Ivan and his boys have bought some goodwill by booting that loser Wenger, no doubt. But stopping the ship from sinking doesn't mean we're on good time for port. Two different things. Let's not forgive cheapskating and mediocrity because we made a brilliant gain by booting the last French nothingness. Yes, sure, Wenger had to go. But not so we could then sit around doing fuck all. And so far what we have is FUCK ALL. It won't do. Unless this Emery bloke is a tactical genius (which he isn't) then we are still left with the shit pile that fought it out with Burnley for 6th. Where's the spine in all of this? Cech, Kos, Xhaka - STILL? Anyone want to guess how that's going to turn out?

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Torreria is a decent player, not second tier going by his performances last season. He's a much talked about emerging talent in Seria A. If he is developed properly he could become the real deal. I think it's a very good bit of business by us taking advantage of his cheap release clause, he was playing like a 50million pound player last season.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Looks like we're shaping up to be the Iceland of the PL. Workmanlike. Solid. And I suppose that's a start. Provided it's not the finish. An uninspiring start that will probably prevent us chucking games against the lower half of the table. Whether these experienced, salt of the earth types can do much against our supposed rivals, well hopefully they can.

Very short period between the end of the world cup and the transfer window closing, relative to normal seasons.

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At least we are building a defence and midfield now, we are adding genuine competition to both the squad and first team. Wenger wouldn't do any of that, heck he wouldn't even replace an error prone Almunia back in the days when we use to challenge for titles, Almunia was chucking them in the net back when Adebayor and Co were trying to shoot us to the title.

Anyway, the point I am making here is that we are making change, it's not like we are picking up the scraps either...we are purchasing solid established international or young guys with a lot of potential who have actually kicked a ball!

Pretty satisfied with our alleged business so far (only one confirmed so it might not pan out), good to see some younger players coming in as well as more experienced ones, it's a start at least.

I guess we'll know more about what the squad will look like in a few weeks.

My only concern was giving Xhaka a new contract, really odd decision, the guy offers nothing, even for Switzerland he does very little, the decision to sign him up long term is an odd one because he doesn't really have any stand out talent.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Torreria is a decent player, not second tier going by his performances last season. He's a much talked about emerging talent in Seria A. If he is developed properly he could become the real deal. I think it's a very good bit of business by us taking advantage of his cheap release clause, he was playing like a 50million pound player last season.

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Sterling is a 50 mill player.

Leno seems to be happening, we've agreed a fee:

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Hope he turns out to be a masterstroke and not a mistake.

Atleti have signed Arsenal legend Lemar for £63m. :lol:

Griezmann has signed a new contract :blink:

That's some attack they'll have, with Lemar joining the ranks.

Emery about to spend £20m on a GK in Bernd Leno.

Wenger's previous GK signing:
Cech £12m
Wright £8m
Almunia £4.5m
Fabianski £4m
Ospina £3,5m
Lehmann £3m
Manninger £2m
Vivano £1m
Manonne £500
Poom Free
Warmuz Free
Shabaan Free
Martinez Free

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Griezmann has signed a new contract :blink:

That's some attack they'll have, with Lemar joining the ranks.

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Yeah it will be Athletico already very strong defensively now just trying to make their attack stronger and Costa, Griezmann and Lemar will certainly be strong.

Got to admire Simeone, always looking to improve. Be interesting to see how Lemar gets on, he'll probably be worth double the amount they paid next year (bit like what happened with Griezmann, they took the plunge and the rest is history).

What I also like about Athletico is they don't waste any time with these big deals, they wanted Lemar, went for him and then sent over a delegation and got his signed up in no time.

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Emery about to spend £20m on a GK in Bernd Leno.

Wenger's previous GK signing:
Cech £12m
Wright £8m
Almunia £4.5m
Fabianski £4m
Ospina £3,5m
Lehmann £3m
Manninger £2m
Vivano £1m
Manonne £500
Poom Free
Warmuz Free
Shabaan Free
Martinez Free

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Lehmann for 3 million :bow:

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Emery about to spend £20m on a GK in Bernd Leno.

Wenger's previous GK signing:
Cech £12m
Wright £8m
Almunia £4.5m
Fabianski £4m
Ospina £3,5m
Lehmann £3m
Manninger £2m
Vivano £1m
Manonne £500
Poom Free
Warmuz Free
Shabaan Free
Martinez Free

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Wenger didn't seem to want to spend decent money on a keeper, that's why we more often than not ended up with inadequate players in those positions.

EMERY!! YOU ARE NOT OBSERVING THE WAITING PERIOD :fury:

https://www.arsenal.com/news/first-t...taff-confirmed

Bould still 'Assistant head first-team coach'

Interesting.

Jens Lehmann gone.

Bould is probably seen as an Arsenal man who will help Emery settle and get his ideas across, also let him know how important certain games are, understand what the fans expect etc. Handy to have a familiar face to bridge the gap with the players I suppose, I'm sure it's all going to be very alien to them when pre-season starts.

No problem with that. Bould will know his place. Emery has his own lieutenants already. Bould might actually learn something for a change instead of watching paint dry with Gunnersaurus` dad.

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Seems like he was fired. Hasn't taken it too well.

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Seems like he was fired. Hasn't taken it too well.

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Cant have 2 goalkeeping coaches. Unai has his own man. Jens should go help his countrymen out in Russia

Perfectly normal if Unai wants to bring his own man in, no need for Jens to be so bitter. Just unfortunate for him that he was hired in Wenger’s final year.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Perfectly normal if Unai wants to bring his own man in, no need for Jens to be so bitter. Just unfortunate for him that he was hired in Wenger’s final year.

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Poor chap probably moved his kith and kin over to London. He too bought into Wengers immovable force myth. He`ll get over it. Letters has. Ty on the other hand.....Has anyone seen him of late?

That Juan Carlos Carcedo is supposed to be a nutcase, constantly barking orders from the touchline :lol: The players are gonna get a rocket up their arse :lol:

And that Javi Garcia is supposed to be very highly regarded as a GK coach, PSG didn't want to let him go apparently. One of the best around.

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Poor chap probably moved his kith and kin over to London. He too bought into Wengers immovable force myth. He`ll get over it. Letters has. Ty on the other hand.....Has anyone seen him of late?

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Ty's with Wenger on suicide watch :lol:

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Cant have 2 goalkeeping coaches. Unai has his own man. Jens should go help his countrymen out in Russia

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I think he was hired as a regular assistant coach, and not a GK coach?

I guess the same principle applies though - Emery will want his own people, and he's already made one concession with Bould.

I bet Leno's breathing a massive sigh of relief right now!

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

I bet Leno's breathing a massive sigh of relief right now!

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Maybe he made it a condition before he signs. Make sure you get rid of that mad swivel eyed maniac

Yeah he was hired as a regular coach not a goalkeeping coach. Apparently he was hired as Ivan's man against Wenger's wishes which may explain why he feels betrayed.

Though I don't know why he's so bitter ....... coaches/managers have short shelf lives. It comes with the territory and throwing his toys out of the pram will just make it difficult for him to return in the future in any capacity.