What do we think of the Santo idea?
He's obviously good but is he good enough for Arsenal?
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What do we think of the Santo idea?
He's obviously good but is he good enough for Arsenal?
Not totally against the idea but it turns out he could be part of Raul’s inner circle of cronies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
he brought in Bergkamp which gets a lot of brownie points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
why though? why not take our time over the next replacement... you never know Freddie might give the players a bit of result bounce to see us over the next few fixtures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Wolves are backed by a big Chinese company I think... he has done very well at Wolves but less well at Valencia and Porto I think. sometimes managers fit a club perfectly and cant do it elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
if anyone could do a better job than Wenger surely even more can do a better job than Emery :whistle:
David Dein brought in Bergkamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
That's the crux of it. He was a stopgap. Was it unfair on him? Possibly, but it was undoubtedly the correct decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm surprised Emery was not given a new 2 year deal.
That is what they have done before with useless managers.
Emery should have gone a few weeks ago.
Who is next I wonder ?
They will be trying to go for 3 idiots in a row.
Apparently Freddie does have his pro license so no issues with him taking temporary charge.
Our improvement last night wasn't enough to save him.
Make a prediction when we'll have a new coach installed.
Me? May 2020. :lol:
A few reasons really, firstly it will give him time to work with the squad and workout what he'll need in the summer, secondly he may be able to get us back into CL contention at this stage, even though we're a fair way behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Also Ljungberg was a great player, but it totally unproven and I'm not sure I want us to go that route to be honest, think we need someone tougher to get the players motivated and into line, we've had too soft an approach for too long.
Also worried Ljungberg may be friendly with Xhaka and may re-introduce him, like Emery did.
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Originally Posted by Mac76
I've gone off the idea because of those links to Mendes - immediately makes me think that Raul's given it no thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah theres a long article by Le Grove on that, makes quite interesting reading. If you look at his managerial career it's been mostly average. I'd be pretty underwhelmed if he was signed, and fearing Emery 2.0.
It's great the deed has finally been done, I inadvertently hugged a colleague once I saw the news and it looked like l just won the lottery.
I have been quiet for a while because I'm totally depressed about this club and leaving it this late hasn't reassured me that the people running the club know what they are doing. So honestly, I think think they'll still get it wrong with the next manager.
Anyway, I always wanted a defensive minded manager to be AW's replacement, because I do think being solid and building from back is the only way you can sustain success in this league. Mourinho is already gone and doing well so far. Simeone my top choice, still hasn't shown any sign of wanting to leave. On the other hand, I like the idea of Santo and Rodgers but I'm certain it won't happen.
All I hope is they think carefully and take their time since the stellar choices, Enrique and Mourinho are off the market due to their dithering.
I've given up on this season and just hope Freddie is able to stop the rot. I also hope Vieira's results improve so he can also be in the running.
I'm a bit more optimistic but I do think our fate was sealed the day we fully sold our club to the souless Yank, our worst decision ever!!!
If we at least hire somebody that has a good, solid knowledge of PL football and a willingness to focus on the basics it will speed along the day when we re-emerge as a viable football team. That's not going to be for a long, long time though. And chances are every single player on the roster now will be gone. Is Rafa available? He'd do a job, set us on the right track. Hell, is George Graham still up for it? Needs to be a PL man who speaks English. Obviously.
This is the lowest point I can recall at the club. Even in the final days of Terry Neill we were at least a football club at the core, with real football fans instead of the entitled hit mob we have today. They boo their captain, hound out their manager, demand CL football from a mid-table team and beat the badge while conveniently forgetting how many of them defended Wenger year after year when this catastrophic damage was being done. I wonder how long the next guy gets before it all starts up again? He'd better be in the coveted, sanctified "Top 4" trophy spot by the end of the season or he's gone too. Arsenal fans need to get some understanding about what it's like to be a West Ham fan, or a Wolves fan, or any other mid-table fans and then set their expectations and demands accordingly. Start small but always make progress. It would be nice to see some controlled, basic, PL football again. Instead of this arrogant, unwarranted, comical impersonation of top flight teams.
You have to wonder what they saw in Emery when they appointed him? Surely it didn't just come down to a decent Powerpoint presentation? Or was it worse than that? Did they see a Europa Cup expert and settle for that? The question being, are they in any way qualified to find a suitable manager for the club? Or will it be a game of roulette and crossed fingers? Because, if we're in the mood for firing, maybe others should be heading for the door too?
In what sense are we a mid-table team? Wenger's last season was the only year we've been far from the top 4, in his penultimate season and in last season we were a point or two away and way above the middle of the table.
I just don't think Emery was convincing at any point with us, before he arrived I preferred him to Arteta and I thought PSG actually played decent football under him (turns out it was the players not him) and you can to give him the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately it was clear from quite early on he was having much impact, in the unbeaten run we put together we really weren't convincing at all and our playing from the back clearly wasn't working.
His insistence on playing Xhaka and then shocklngly making him captain showed how poor a judge of a players ability and competence he was, his first season wasn't impressive, even before the calamitous collapse.
As for the signings, I'm not sure if it was him or not, but Sokratis, Lichsteiner were poor signings, too old and players that would need replacing in not time, last summer was better except for the fact we didn't sign a decent CB (well we did but then loaned him back) and instead brought in Luiz who has always been a liability at CB. Add to that the fact he insisted like his predecessor to play players in the wrong postions and the fact the team had no identity and the tactics were poor and you can see it wasn't going to work.
We should have ended his stay last summer really, because for me his 1st season really didn't give us much to be optimistic about.
I just hope that now we do a proper job and identify decent candidates (not people like Arteta), who have experience and have a plan for their teams, problem is with this club you can't trust them, their decisions seem to be mainly driven by financial motives and not success on the pitch. The truth is we need a strong manager like an Allegri or Simeone, I even think Rogers is a good shout as all his teams play decent football and are setup well, we may end up with another nobody however, if we are a big club and not simply there to make up the numbers it's time we showed it with some ambition and brought in a coach who only goal isn't just getting into the top 4.
Reslistically, who will the next manager be ?
I cannot see Rodgers leaving Leicester.
With the power of hindsight, he should have been sacked after Baku. From the position we were in with 7 or 8 games to go last season, it was a travesty to miss out in the way we did. The season so far is just a continuation of around 20-25 games were we've just been atrocious.
He started well enough but even during that 22 game unbeaten run the team still had little shape to it, goals were still being conceded and in some cases we were lucky to turn games around thanks to some individual brilliance.
He was just awful for us and even managed to do the unthinkable and make our defence worse than it already was! What a waste of 18 months.
yeah i feel the same and instead of someone like Howe or Santo i'd rather have Freddie as caretaker and just see if he manages to make if fly, otherwise we get a bigger name inQuote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Freddie knows the youth players and can hit the ground running
NES, Allegri, Arteta and Rogers are heading up the shortlist apparently.
Got reservations about the lot of them really but I suppose there isn't going to be one outstanding candidate that everyone thinks would nail it.
Sort of feel the same, with one reservation. I'd hate to see the fans turn on him and hound him if he doesn't win the CL in his first match in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I don't think the fans would turn on Freddie. All the anger will now be directed at those who are running the club.
Much like it is for OGS at United who doesn't have a word said against him by anyone - it is all on the board.
Just think back on the goodwill for Emery (from most fans) and compare it to now. And being in the background is very different to being out front. A few bad substitutions, a few unpopular team selections. Things can change fast. One thing in his favour, he's already bald so he won't have to worry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Arteta, Freddie, either work for me because I think they'd have to focus on the basics instead of engaging in grand plans that only ever materialise in Powerpoint presentations. They'd be learning too, so they'd have to keep it simple. Both have had exposure to coaching but they've been able to stand at the back when the missiles are flying in. They'd be as good as absolute beginners.
Emery had the goodwill because he hadn't been fully backed financially and he was dealing with "Wenger's squad" last year.
Those excuses went and he was exposed. Fair game really.
me neither and i still don't want him anyway, or Ponce eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
Please no Allegri
Bring in Arteta, I really believe he understands what needs to be done at this club on the football side.
I thought you didn't want Raul's Spanish takeover. :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
I just don't get the clamour for Arteta, he's never managed, was probably one of the worst captains we had and a very average player for us, he was also part of a time when we bottled it regularly, so what that's he's been working at Man City as assistant manager, it's a completely different role and doesn't qualify him to be manager in any way.
He's be a complete novice, his first job should be at some lower league team, like Lampard for example, not a big club.
He's the reason I wanted Emery in the first place, because this guy was the alternative. No thanks, let him go and manage Aldershot FC or something like most first time managers.
You don't want Allegri a proven winner who made Juve CL challengers again, but want a guy with no management experience who was an average captain and very forgettable player for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
It shows you how inconsequential football really is in peoples minds despite all the fervour they display
If someone needed a heart transplant would you want? The doctor who has done it 50 times before or the best graduating student from med school?
Director of a nuclear power plant: PHD who is just about to retire from CERN or the 18 yr old with 3 A`s from high school.
Engineer designing your highway: Certified engineer or kid with an app on his phone.
When Arteta tanks, they'll say it was a bold choice. Lets move on to the next manager.
The sad truth is that most existing managers probably feel they are better off where they are.
I get the comparisons but football is so much more emotive than any of those listed, apart from the overall aspect of being a doctor, of course.. Employing Wenger wasn't the safe choice all those years ago, yes it ended badly eventually but it unlocked a different way of thinking for the players that were at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Arteta might not be the right man but if it ended up being him, I'd give props to the board for taking a chance.
Emery had the better record, the better presentation for the decision makers but ultimately he lacked a way of either inspiring the players to play in a certain mould or couldn't quite decide whatever he wanted.
Yeah, I agree. I think we should make it clear that he’s not being considered for the job full time, and that he’s basically stepping up to help because the club need him to. We can change our mind about that at any point if he turns out to be the next Pep, but for now let’s not say it out loud - keep the pressure off and the keep supporters behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I’ve got to say, I’m pinning a lot of hopes on this right now. My faith in almost all of the more “experienced” members of the side is completely gone, and I’m really not seeing too many other options for us than turning to the younger players - hopefully our former u23 coach will be a good choice for what we have to work with at the moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Employing Wenger worked initially, but the guy had a massive advantage of knowing all the best players in French football at a time when the golden generation was coming through, that advantage no longer exists, we all saw how it went from 2006 onwards, not well.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
What does Arteta have that makes him a decent candidate, what evidence is there he'd be a good manager, at least Wenger had managed before and achieved something, players with no management experience have no place managing a top club as their 1st experience of management, it would be a complete gamble based on no evidence he would be any good, if they do choose him, it would once again prove how incompetent these people are and how small time we are, not even good enough to attract a decent manager who has actually managed.
IMO Arteta is a prime candidate to flop, reason being he's been overhyped before he's achieved anything and that usually doesn't end well, this isn't the time to gamble on some nobody, it's time to get someone in who's been tested.
Does the New Manager Bounce™ work with a temp?
It's hard to get excited about anything related to the club at the moment. Even just some evidence of the application of a working football philosophy under Ljunberg will be a positive.
Who are your candidates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I don't understand what this obsession is with Arteta. The guy has never managed a club. Ever. That alone should be reason not to touch him with a barge pole.