Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

PnG :lol:

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I guess it has nothing to do with the possibility of him winning a league title before he retires, no?

Of course money is a factor but if it really meant that much to him, why not engineer a move away from the club when in his prime like Ade did? Why stay on £60k for that long?

Sagna was on the same contract since 2008. He's a solid first team performer and there are kids in our squad that haven't even proven they are first team worthy, close to earning around the same amount he earns. Some surpass it and were offered extensions with years left to burn on their previous deals. We're so anxious to secure the services of players that have yet to fulfill their potential but are really slow when reacting to the older players. I've always had a problem with it. We're doomed to making the same mistakes if we don't sort this out. Focus should go on the staff and management.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I'm talking about it in Sagna's perspective, not mine. Sagna isn't an Arsenal fan so it's nothing to do with leaving the club you support. He joined a foreign club to further his career, spent 8 of his prime years with us and then left earn more money and win more trophies. That's like me joining Roma and eventually moving to Juventus. The Roma fans wont like it but... meh. This is a sport not a marriage :coffee:

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We're making the same point then, he's a mercenary not a fan. I was responding to the idea, "I would probably do the same thing as him if i was in his shoes." Just saying that if you (as a fan) were in his shoes then I'd be surprised if you did the same as him. But agreed, he's not a fan, he's a mercenary for hire - like most of them tbf. Better if he takes his money and stays quiet. Trying to con the fans just adds insult.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I'm talking about it in Sagna's perspective, not mine. Sagna isn't an Arsenal fan so it's nothing to do with leaving the club you support. He joined a foreign club to further his career, spent 8 of his prime years with us and then left earn more money and win more trophies. That's like me joining Roma and eventually moving to Juventus. The Roma fans wont like it but... meh. This is a sport not a marriage :coffee:

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If it were a marriage, it's like some next guy chastising you for wanting to leave the bitch. And the chumps not even married himself. ;)

Looking in from the outside. From what we see, it's not as it's been years of complete bliss at the Emirates. It's not as if we don't get sick of the rubbish coming from the board and co, and we're fans! We'll always hit this bump in the road unless things change internally.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I guess it has nothing to do with the possibility of him winning a league title before he retires, no?

Of course money is a factor but if it really meant that much to him, why not engineer a move away from the club when in his prime like Ade did? Why stay on £60k for that long?

Sagna was on the same contract since 2008. He's a solid first team performer and there are kids in our squad that haven't even proven they are first team worthy, close to earning around the same amount he earns. Some surpass it and were offered extensions with years left to burn on their previous deals. We're so anxious to secure the services of players that have yet to fulfill their potential but are really slow when reacting to the older players. I've always had a problem with it. We're doomed to making the same mistakes if we don't sort this out. Focus should go on the staff and management.

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Really not interested in his excuses or lame justifications. It was already starting to die down until he opened his gob. He was only on the same contract because he spent 2 years rejecting contracts. The big money move was always in his mind evidently. Fine, he values money above all else. Not saying he's not normal by today's shitty standards, just wish he wouldn't try to sell a bag of shit to the fans.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Really not interested in his excuses or lame justifications. It was already starting to die down until he opened his gob. He was only on the same contract because he spent 2 years rejecting contracts. The big money move was always in his mind evidently. Fine, he values money above all else. Not saying he's not normal by today's shitty standards, just wish he wouldn't try to sell a bag of shit to the fans.

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NO! It's clearly Arsenal's fault he's been rejecting improved contracts for 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Really not interested in his excuses or lame justifications. It was already starting to die down until he opened his gob. He was only on the same contract because he spent 2 years rejecting contracts. The big money move was always in his mind evidently. Fine, he values money above all else. Not saying he's not normal by today's shitty standards, just wish he wouldn't try to sell a bag of shit to the fans.

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Failing to see the glitch in the Matrix as usual. ;)

You have to wonder why we keep paying inflated wages for unproven potential but have trouble wrapping up contracts but penny pinch with senior players.

We'll revisit this subject again if we don't change things. A sky high wage bill because of under performing young players but we'll lose the true players that add value to this squad.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

NO! It's clearly Arsenal's fault he's been rejecting improved contracts for 2 years.

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Well in a way it is - I hope you realise all we were prepared to offer was ninety thousand pounds. Per week. A measly nine million quid over two years. Plus bonuses. Our rivals came along and said, money is no object to us as we don't have to run our club as a business. So we'll pay you a shit load more to jump ship and play second fiddle. And Sagna said, that sounds like a challenge and I need a change. As you can see - the money had nothing to do with it. And now that Sagna has confirmed it, as Arsenal fans we can all say - good bloke - and move on.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Failing to see the glitch in the Matrix as usual. ;)

You have to wonder why we keep paying inflated wages for unproven potential but have trouble wrapping up contracts but penny pinch with senior players.

We'll revisit this subject again if we don't change things. A sky high wage bill because of under performing young players but we'll lose the true players that add value to this squad.

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Who are the unproven players on inflated wages? Isn't it the gypos and the chavs who have forced other clubs to pay silly money to hang on to their players? Senior player or not, a 30 year old full back on £150K per week? Yeah, the fact we won't pay such a nonsense amount has cost us. Would we want that to be different? Bearing in mind we have to do crazy stuff the dopers don't have to worry about, like avoid bankruptcy and such.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Well in a way it is - I hope you realise all we were prepared to offer was ninety thousand pounds. Per week. A measly nine million quid over two years. Plus bonuses. Our rivals came along and said, money is no object to us as we don't have to run our club as a business. So we'll pay you a shit load more to jump ship and play second fiddle. And Sagna said, that sounds like a challenge and I need a change. As you can see - the money had nothing to do with it. And now that Sagna has confirmed it, as Arsenal fans we can all say - good bloke - and move on.

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I believe we offered him a better deal very late in the game like we did with Theo. Like we always do in the transfer window. It's just how we do things and we sometimes end up losing out. But that's another issue.

If he turned down deal after deal, why was he still playing in the team and why didn't we get his replacement in last summer or winter the latest? That's a fault on the clubs part again and none of this would matter if we knew we had a solid rb already at the club that had taken over Sagna's position. Blame the players...but ffs how many times are we going to do this? It just boils down to not being proactive enough. Replace him straight away if he's stalling and you allow it to get to a situation where he's allowed to talk to other clubs.

Diaby £50k, Wilshere £85k, Ox £50k, Bendy £50k (off the books today...finally), Ramsey £50k last year. I think he's just signed a new deal improving on that but he was bumped up to a £50k contract when he was having an awful time. Why?