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How do you reconcile the gap you see in quality between Klopp and Wenger with the fact that they only finished a couple of points above us last season and we ended up with a trophy and they didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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1) last season anyway we had a far better squad than LiverpoolQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
2) It's fair to say that at the moment the trajectory of the clubs are somewhat opposite they passed us as we were on the way down.
3) I distinctly recall Klopps Liverpool beating us three times in a row. With an aggregate of 11-4
4) In 2013 Wigan only finished three points behind Sunderland and won the FA cup. Who do you suppose reckoned they had the better season?.
Easily, Klopp has just started is project at Liverpool, it's starting to come together but it takes time to implement your methods and bring in the players you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Frankly it's a bit embarassing Klop has already outdone Wenger in such a short time, seeing as there was lot to do, their football is great to watch though and they are improving, they aren't quite there yet but they're moving towards it, anyway what about this season when they thrashed us, surely that highlights the gap now.
He couldn't get a work permit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Klopp has had 2 years worth of building. Wenger has had a decade of rebuilding, over and over again. With the time and money Wenger has had, there's not even a comparison to be made.
I think it's hard for anyone to argue that Klopp is not currently a better manager than Wenger.
I think he has a lot of the flaws Wenger had as a manager even in his hay day, whilst I think he's a great man motivator I don't think he's the best coach tactically. But what he does have is that his players love him, and he clearly gets the best out of them. I liked Mane when he was at Southampton but Klopp has brought him onto another level.
Klopp was the perfect man for our club but we passed up on it out of loyalty to a has been.
Just looked this one up and it could be BS but against Barnet he played as second striker and then moved up front! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
We had other chances to sign Yaya so whatever excuse there was for not picking him up back then, we could have gone for him when he moved from Olympiacos to Monaco or when he went from Monaco to Barca. We were slow to react when his price tag was low and then reluctant to spend when Barca sold him to City.
How has he outdone Wenger? They finished top 4 while we didn't but you always dismiss that at as achievement, and it was only 2 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
And while they won the imaginary top 4 trophy, we won a real one.
Will be interesting to see how they do this season, I think HCZs comment about trajectories is possibly right but it's a bit too early to say for certain.
No I don't rate top 4, difference is that for Liverpool it's a stepping stone to better things (and they always have an outside chance in the CL), for us it's the holy grail (and we have no hope in the CL).Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
They play better football, beat us regularly, are progressing, finish above us and just look like a better run club all round, we play average football, never make any progress and are badly run.
Neither is great to be honest, but for Liverpool it's a sign of progress (that's very impotant). FA is 2nd tier as I said many times, it's not the trophy it was 15 years ago, it's a low priority for most clubs, the rewards aren't great either, for me the Europa league is above is as at least a CL spot is up for grabs if you win it and it's a European trophy.
Nice to win it and all that but bored with it now, should just be a stepping stone to greater things not the trophy we pick up as a consolation for being awful in the competitions that really matter.
That remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim