Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I believe we offered him a better deal very late in the game like we did with Theo. Like we always do in the transfer window. It's just how we do things and we sometimes end up losing out. But that's another issue.

If he turned down deal after deal, why was he still playing in the team and why didn't we get his replacement in last summer or winter the latest? That's a fault on the clubs part again and none of this would matter if we knew we had a solid rb already at the club that had taken over Sagna's position. Blame the players...but ffs how many times are we going to do this? It just boils down to not being proactive enough. Replace him straight away if he's stalling and you allow it to get to a situation where he's allowed to talk to other clubs.

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In the end, the gypos arean't a real football club. We can never compete with their crazy deals. And they'll always be a flame to a moth for players looking for a big pay day. We offered the guy plenty of money, but not on the scale of a doper which has no limits. So we offer 150, they offer 160, we offer 170 and on it goes. For a 30 year old? Why did we play him? Because he was contracted to play and was our best RB. He stated he was playing out his contract. No mystery there. Provided we replace him then we've done what we can. Offered him a contract and a big pile of money. He wanted more so he left. What do you suggest we should have done, matched the gypo offer? Quickest route to bankruptcy. Can you imagine the queue at Wenger's door? All of them looking for double or nothing?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Diaby £50k, Wilshere £85k, Ox £50k, Bendy £50k (off the books today...finally), Ramsey £50k last year. I think he's just signed a new deal improving on that but he was bumped up to a £50k contract when he was having an awful time. Why?

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You are now pretending £50K is inflated in this market? And mentioning players like Wilshere, Ramsey and Ox? That's the biggest stretch imaginable. Bendtner, of course yes, he was supposed to be a big hot talent but turned out to be a useless tosser, more down to his character than his natural ability. We had to let the bastard ride out the contract, he wouldn't leave even though we kept on trying to get rid of him. Diaby, well hard to argue against that. That's a mystery all right. But Wilshere, Ramsey and Ox? Come off it. They'd all be on £150K or more at gypoville. How do we know? Because a 30 year old full back just go that much.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You are now pretending £50K is inflated in this market? And mentioning players like Wilshere, Ramsey and Ox? That's the biggest stretch imaginable. Bendtner, of course yes, he was supposed to be a big hot talent but turned out to be a useless tosser, more down to his character than his natural ability. We had to let the bastard ride out the contract, he wouldn't leave even though we kept on trying to get rid of him. Diaby, well hard to argue against that. That's a mystery all right. But Wilshere, Ramsey and Ox? Come off it. They'd all be on £150K or more at gypoville. How do we know? Because a 30 year old full back just go that much.

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It's not when Ross Barkley is earning £15k and Sterling is on £30k! That's the comparison. Chelsea and City aren't looking for our young players because there performances don't warrant that much. They wouldn't pay £150k for those players either. Not sure how accurate this is but it's worth doing research on what they're actually paying players around the same age as them.

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/chel...salaries-2014/
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/man-...salaries-2014/

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

In the end, the gypos arean't a real football club. We can never compete with their crazy deals. And they'll always be a flame to a moth for players looking for a big pay day. We offered the guy plenty of money, but not on the scale of a doper which has no limits. So we offer 150, they offer 160, we offer 170 and on it goes. For a 30 year old? Why did we play him? Because he was contracted to play and was our best RB. He stated he was playing out his contract. No mystery there. Provided we replace him then we've done what we can. Offered him a contract and a big pile of money. He wanted more so he left. What do you suggest we should have done, matched the gypo offer? Quickest route to bankruptcy. Can you imagine the queue at Wenger's door? All of them looking for double or nothing?

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As said, why didn't we buy his replacement before he left since we knew he was going? I'm not suggesting we match the price after we've let negotiations drag on. You know we're too slow with our business. You've been critical of the lack of activity this window when other clubs are already signing players. You know things need to change internally and there are things we could have done to make this irrelevant.

As usual for an Arsenal transfer window we're discussing other teams signings and players that have left us.

Not even a hint of an Arsenal signing, pull your finger out Wenger!

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's not when Ross Barkley is earning £15k and Sterling is on £30k! That's the comparison. Chelsea and City aren't looking for our young players because there performances don't warrant that much. They wouldn't pay £150k for those players either. Not sure how accurate this is but it's worth doing research on what they're actually paying players around the same age as them.

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/chel...salaries-2014/
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/man-...salaries-2014/

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Barkley and Sterling will be on twice that once they have put in the same amount of time. They'll be coming home to big pay bumps no doubt, if it hasn't already been dealt with. It's fashionable to write off Wilshere following his injury problems, but he's still considered among the premium talent in England, Ramsey - turns out we are robbing him, Wenger was right all along when the rest of us were completely wrong, Ox, could be the best of them all, he didn't even play and his absence is being used as an excuse by the manager for England's flop. These are big players, not kids trying to make the grade. Barkley and Sterling have joined the ranks too, forget £15K, won't be that come August.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

As said, why didn't we buy his replacement before he left since we knew he was going? I'm not suggesting we match the price after we've let negotiations drag on. You know we're too slow with our business. You've been critical of the lack of activity this window when other clubs are already signing players. You know things need to change internally and there are things we could have done to make this irrelevant.

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We didn't LET negotiations drag on, Sagna refused to sign over almost a two year period. How is that us LETTING negotiations drag? We spent big money in the transfer window last year. We knew extra funding was coming this year. We knew Sagna was seeing out his contract. So no mystery about not signing his replacement. It will only be a mystery if we don't sign anyone this window.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Barkley and Sterling will be on twice that once they have put in the same amount of time. They'll be coming home to big pay bumps no doubt, if it hasn't already been dealt with. It's fashionable to write off Wilshere following his injury problems, but he's still considered among the premium talent in England, Ramsey - turns out we are robbing him, Wenger was right all along when the rest of us were completely wrong, Ox, could be the best of them all, he didn't even play and his absence is being used as an excuse by the manager for England's flop. These are big players, not kids trying to make the grade. Barkley and Sterling have joined the ranks too, forget £15K, won't be that come August.

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Yes, they'll get a bumper deal after establishing themselves as first team regulars - not before and not based on potential. Ramsey has put in the sort of performance that warrants an improved contract but the rest haven't. But I still don't understand why we'd bump Ramsey up to a £50k contract after a very poor season. What is that based on? Regardless of how things have turned out with him, we pay too much too early and you can see from what Chelsea and City pay, they don't just pay a huge fee to anybody.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We didn't LET negotiations drag on, Sagna refused to sign over almost a two year period. How is that us LETTING negotiations drag? We spent big money in the transfer window last year. We knew extra funding was coming this year. We knew Sagna was seeing out his contract. So no mystery about not signing his replacement. It will only be a mystery if we don't sign anyone this window.

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This is getting ignorant. If he refuses to sign a deal, just move on and find a replacement. The fact that it went on for 2 years says a lot. How long does it take for the message to become clear? Why not sign a new player before he leaves so we have cover and someone that will be ready when Sagna leaves? If Wenger says it takes a least 6 months/1 year to adapt the the Premier League, why not plan ahead when he knows we have an unsure player on our hands or we're unwilling to budge on the terms? Does that not make sense?

Luke Shaw having a medical at United, according to the BBC :sick:


Pretty good day for United, after signing Herrera too.