Goodbye Sanga?

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

He doesn't have to say anything, at the end of the day Sagna will decide if it's time to move on not Wenger (as we've seen many a time).

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yep thats fine, but why shouldnt the club cash in on him? thats all wenger is doing right now, is making sure if he does decide to go, no one knows about it right not so we get a better price

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Reporter: Were you disappointed Sagna went public with what he said?
AW: Any player or employee should defend the company they work for And if hes not happy he should go somewhere else.

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wenger is getting ruthless again. good

I don't agree that any player or employee should defend the company they work for no matter what they've done. What if the company's using forced labour, involved in corruption etc? Should an employee defend the company even if he knows this is going on? (I'm not saying Arsenal PLC are responsible for any of this, it's the principle I'm arguing against).

According to Wenger, employees are simply slaves to the company and its shareholders, and must accept all the decisions made by the management. He's stuck in a 19th century mindset of industrial relations.

Wenger should learn to STFU

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Originally Posted by Joker

I don't agree that any player or employee should defend the company they work for no matter what they've done. What if the company's using forced labour, involved in corruption etc? Should an employee defend the company even if he knows this is going on? (I'm not saying Arsenal PLC are responsible for any of this, it's the principle I'm arguing against).

According to Wenger, employees are simply slaves to the company and its shareholders, and must accept all the decisions made by the management. He's stuck in a 19th century mindset of industrial relations.

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If your not happy with what they are doing then leave its simple, no point saying "i hate the way harrods treats its staff" then continue working for them.

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Any player or employee should defend the company they work for And if hes not happy he should go somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Sagna should learn to STFU

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Originally Posted by Ach

Wenger should learn to STFU

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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster

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Originally Posted by Joker

I don't agree that any player or employee should defend the company they work for no matter what they've done. What if the company's using forced labour, involved in corruption etc? Should an employee defend the company even if he knows this is going on? (I'm not saying Arsenal PLC are responsible for any of this, it's the principle I'm arguing against).

According to Wenger, employees are simply slaves to the company and its shareholders, and must accept all the decisions made by the management. He's stuck in a 19th century mindset of industrial relations.

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Wenger is 100% correct in a limited sense and 100% wrong in that he avoids the bigger picture. When you take the cash it's a given you shut your mouth. If you knowingly work for a corrupt company that uses forced labour then you're complicit and a criminal. Arsenal is most certainly a corrupt company by any realistic definition - a few at the top who invest very little and extract the maximum to the detriment of the majority. Fraud and theft when you don't have friends who write the law. White collar crime vs blue collar crime. A blinkered world view can help disguise these facts. Most people prefer to brush knowing participation under a mental carpet, others have principles. Some people value ignorance and the peace of mind it brings, others have respect for themselves. Sagna is a whore, just like Wenger and just like (almost) anyone else who works for a corporation. The stated aim of a corporation is to maximise profits for the shareholders as a priority to all other considerations. Therefore, in most cases (there are a very few exceptions now mostly expired), modern corporations are the very definition of evil and indeed insanity. Few will appreciate this because few understand what profit and money really is. I don't want to come across as a **** and there's a definite danger I've failed in that, but isn't it about time people got educated about the world they live in? Corporations hoard profit and funnel it upwards (check the published financial and economic data since 1970 and prior to 1920 for proof beyond reasonable doubt, plus the regularity of the "accidental" boom-bust cycle prior to those dates). Corporations socialise harm (ditto). Anyone involved in this process is a criminal, from the tea lady through to the top officers. Lots of excuses can be made to forgive these simple facts but the excuses don't mitigate the harm. I wonder where Arsenal gets all those shirts and baubles sold in their shop? Enslaving people through criminal manipulation of the economy is self evidently evil. Man Utd have already been caught for this and done nothing, yes? So Wenger is correct in one respect. When you are part of a criminal enterprise you play along, keep up the pretence, make sure the game endures uninterrupted. Don't get greedy, wait for your turn at the trough. Sagna took the cash, he should shut his hole, bend over and take it up the arse because that's what he signed up for. That's what the cash is for. Poor **** is only a mediocre footballer so the money is not for that, right?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Wenger is 100% correct in a limited sense and 100% wrong in that he avoids the bigger picture. When you take the cash it's a given you shut your mouth. If you knowingly work for a corrupt company that uses forced labour then you're complicit and a criminal. Arsenal is most certainly a corrupt company by any realistic definition - a few at the top who invest very little and extract the maximum to the detriment of the majority. Fraud and theft when you don't have friends who write the law. White collar crime vs blue collar crime. A blinkered world view can help disguise these facts. Most people prefer to brush knowing participation under a mental carpet, others have principles. Some people value ignorance and the peace of mind it brings, others have respect for themselves. Sagna is a whore, just like Wenger and just like (almost) anyone else who works for a corporation. The stated aim of a corporation is to maximise profits for the shareholders as a priority to all other considerations. Therefore, in most cases (there are a very few exceptions now mostly expired), modern corporations are the very definition of evil and indeed insanity. Few will appreciate this because few understand what profit and money really is. I don't want to come across as a **** and there's a definite danger I've failed in that, but isn't it about time people got educated about the world they live in? Corporations hoard profit and funnel it upwards (check the published financial and economic data since 1970 and prior to 1920 for proof beyond reasonable doubt, plus the regularity of the "accidental" boom-bust cycle prior to those dates). Corporations socialise harm (ditto). Anyone involved in this process is a criminal, from the tea lady through to the top officers. Lots of excuses can be made to forgive these simple facts but the excuses don't mitigate the harm. I wonder where Arsenal gets all those shirts and baubles sold in their shop? Enslaving people through criminal manipulation of the economy is self evidently evil. Man Utd have already been caught for this and done nothing, yes? So Wenger is correct in one respect. When you are part of a criminal enterprise you play along, keep up the pretence, make sure the game endures uninterrupted. Don't get greedy, wait for your turn at the trough. Sagna took the cash, he should shut his hole, bend over and take it up the arse because that's what he signed up for. That's what the cash is for. Poor **** is only a mediocre footballer so the money is not for that, right?

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