Match Reaction v Wigan

Very telling that Lord Wenger has never single handedly built a title winning squad in its entirety.

He's had like what now... 6-7 seasons to do so, right? But all we've seen is him resigning himself into accepting that the best he'll ever do is pick up that virtual 4th place trophy - a feat he's achieved a flattering 16 consecutive seasons. Makes you wonder what could have been if his eyes were to have been rightly focused on a real trophy.

Then, his apologists condemn those fans whose desire is to see the club win the title once more by calling them glory hunters, whilst hypocritically basking in their glory/trophy/title of achieving 3rd/4th spot.

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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist

Again you miss my point. Why go back to the Graham days, why not say you miss the early Wenger days. He probs won't change back but those days were special you have to admit.

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Funny thing is, the faults of our teams back then are many of the faults we have now. But we were winning so it was ignored.

Now we aint. Said it on 606 at the time that we might need to fix our faults and it was put down to me wumming. I hate being right :(

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Funny thing is, the faults of our teams back then are many of the faults we have now. But we were winning so it was ignored.

Now we aint. Said it on 606 at the time that we might need to fix our faults and it was put down to me wumming. I hate being right :(

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Was not on 606 lol's.

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

Very telling that Lord Wenger has never single handedly built a title winning squad in its entirety.

He's had like what now... 6-7 seasons to do so, right? But all we've seen is him resigning himself into accepting that the best he'll ever do is pick up that virtual 4th place trophy - a feat he's achieved a flattering 16 consecutive seasons. Makes you wonder what could have been if his eyes were to have been rightly focused on a real trophy.

Then, his apologists condemn those fans whose desire is to see the club win the title once more by calling them glory hunters, whilst hypocritically basking in their glory/trophy/title of achieving 3rd/4th spot.

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He had a Dein to point him in the right direction, which fucker did that in the last 7 years and i know he is stubborn, but its clear he has needed Dein and would have listend to him had he been here.

So its Deins fault now that Wenger has lost his desire to win?. Poor him. Ha`snt stopped Wumger upping his take home pay after each successive season of failure. Dearie me!. These AKB`s . What will they think of next to excuse the great Messiah. I think we should get our CEO to lobby hard to get the EPL make an official trophy for 4th place. That should shut up all the Wenger detractors.

Wenger hasn't lost his desire to win :lol:
He might have lost the ability to.
And people keep saying Wenger's changed. I think the issue is he hasn't changed while football has.

As for him not building a title winning side, the Invincibles was pretty much entirely his side.

Other than Fergie, I can't think of any Manager that has built an entire team that won the league. Part of what makes good teams what they are is standing on the shoulders of giants, and Graham was a giant.

Graham did well but he left us a pretty mid-table side who were good enough to raise it for the odd cup game but not good enough to sustain a title challenge. The Invincibles side was pretty much Wenger's

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Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas

Graham did well but he left us a pretty mid-table side who were good enough to raise it for the odd cup game but not good enough to sustain a title challenge. The Invincibles side was pretty much Wenger's

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I'd rather be a midtable team with a chance of picking up a cup than a 4th place team with no chance tbh.

Sure we qualify for the CL but that's basically just about money, we don't have a chance of winning it, in addition in those days the CL was for the best team in the country only (so less incentive to come 4th), the 4th place nonsense we have these days really devalues the competition.

We put more emphasis on the cups in those days, in 92-93 we played a weakened team in the league as we were progressing further in the cups.

Agree about the CL but that's the world we find ourselves in these days.
It's all about the money. The CL generates the most money and top 4 gets you in
(well, not always. Spurs :pal:)

I agree it shouldn't, it should be for champions - there's a clue in the name - but there you go.
Both domestic cups have been massively devalued these days, which doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy if we won one of them.

Graham was working in an era when there wasn't such a big gap between the teams at the top and the middle of Division 1, as was, and in an era where the cups were far more highly valued and if you weren't going to finish at the top then it didn't matter so much where you finished.