Luis Suarez thread

Dangerous times for Liverpool though. I'm assuming Rodgers is playing hardball now because the club is trying to line up a replacement, then it will be interesting to see the attitude towards Suarez.

The offer for Chamakh is still open, even though you were less than cordial when I first brought it up.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Oh good grief, this is painful. Get to the root of the problem? What do you think I'm doing? Do you seriously think racism exists because some people are just meanies? Racism, religious intolerance, all forms of bigotry (except the officially endorsed state sponsored type that raises its head from time to time when expediency calls) are always symptoms of a wider inequality in groups/ societies. Who do you think benefits most when the population is at each other's throats?

Racism isn't about which words should or shouldn't be banned - that's PR and chest thumping, a lousy apology for indifference to the real problems. At its root racism is a systemic agenda that has been carefully nurtured over centuries by those who benefit most from poverty, denial of education to the masses, war. Especially war because it's pretty damn hard to shoot somebody in the face when you perceive them to be the same as you. But a rag-head or some African bloke who "comes from a country that doesn't even have proper toilet paper and they all live in tents but some of my best friends are black people you know", no worries. They are inferior and a lot of the time we're actually doing them a favour by burning up their kids. George Bush and Tony Blair said this, so it's true. Why do you think we had slaves, because blacks are inferior to whites and in our ignorance we recognised some moral entitlement? No, because we had guns and it was fucking profitable to get somebody else to do all the work. Get real.

I mean haven't you been watching the news over the last 20 years? Racism? Do you think the people suffering from the direct effects of racism give a flying fuck about what Suarez did or didn't say? But, you know, I understand why we all need to go around explaining how virtuous we are and how we stood up (with the rest of the herd) when the real condemnations had to be made. Suarez - bastard, bad, bad. Anything other than fanatical condemnation is viewed as a white wash, you said so yourself. Well apologies, I guess my failure to sing loudly about one drop in an ocean in preference to "talking shit" about the ocean itself means I don't get access to the heavenly throng. I can live with that.

As an aside, it's true, there's no genocide in football (barring a few unfortunate incidents of genocide that happened elsewhere so don't count). I'm very confident the same guy who moralises from the stands wouldn't dream of lining up to clap on demand at some monument in London as the war criminals march past. And even if he did, there's no connection. Compartmentalisation is one of the best things ever invented, so convenient. So black and white.

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good post, there are people in Sudan, Syria dying every day and no gives a shit about them because they are sudanese and syrian.....isnt that racism?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Gazidis said we have £70mill PER SEASON as a transfer budget, right? So this won't be the year when we become title challengers. But if they really do intend to spend and we really do have a budget each year then in 2-3 years we might have the squad we need. This ties in with what Wenger said about challenging in 2-3 years. The key then will be to ensure we can keep players at the club as well as sign new ones. So this Suarez thing might make sense over a longer term. Sends a message to the players already here and lays the groundwork for more signings next year. Suarez will assist us to stay in the top 4 which is all we need to keep the plan on track if that's the plan.

Or, they're just screwing with us and plan to sell Cazorla.

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were is the per season mumbo jumbocome from?

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

good post, there are people in Sudan, Syria dying every day and no gives a shit about them because they are sudanese and syrian.....isnt that racism?

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go ask General Butt Naked.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

go ask General Butt Naked.

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cock

Syrians :haha:

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Originally Posted by GayPete

Syrians :haha:

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http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=26

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

were is the per season mumbo jumbocome from?

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From Gazidis who claims new sponsorship deals and a resulting increase in annual profits will allow Arsenal to compete with clubs like Bayern Munich. Not saying I believe him, just reporting what he said. I'm trying to find a reason why we (of all clubs) would suddenly break the British transfer record.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...n-Gazidis.html

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

cock

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no, Butt Naked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Butt_Naked

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Oh good grief, this is painful. Get to the root of the problem? What do you think I'm doing? Do you seriously think racism exists because some people are just meanies? Racism, religious intolerance, all forms of bigotry (except the officially endorsed state sponsored type that raises its head from time to time when expediency calls) are always symptoms of a wider inequality in groups/ societies. Who do you think benefits most when the population is at each other's throats?

Racism isn't about which words should or shouldn't be banned - that's PR and chest thumping, a lousy apology for indifference to the real problems. At its root racism is a systemic agenda that has been carefully nurtured over centuries by those who benefit most from poverty, denial of education to the masses, war. Especially war because it's pretty damn hard to shoot somebody in the face when you perceive them to be the same as you. But a rag-head or some African bloke who "comes from a country that doesn't even have proper toilet paper and they all live in tents but some of my best friends are black people you know", no worries. They are inferior and a lot of the time we're actually doing them a favour by burning up their kids. George Bush and Tony Blair said this, so it's true. Why do you think we had slaves, because blacks are inferior to whites and in our ignorance we recognised some moral entitlement? No, because we had guns and it was fucking profitable to get somebody else to do all the work. Get real.

I mean haven't you been watching the news over the last 20 years? Racism? Do you think the people suffering from the direct effects of racism give a flying fuck about what Suarez did or didn't say? But, you know, I understand why we all need to go around explaining how virtuous we are and how we stood up (with the rest of the herd) when the real condemnations had to be made. Suarez - bastard, bad, bad. Anything other than fanatical condemnation is viewed as a white wash, you said so yourself. Well apologies, I guess my failure to sing loudly about one drop in an ocean in preference to "talking shit" about the ocean itself means I don't get access to the heavenly throng. I can live with that.

As an aside, it's true, there's no genocide in football (barring a few unfortunate incidents of genocide that happened elsewhere so don't count). I'm very confident the same guy who moralises from the stands wouldn't dream of lining up to clap on demand at some monument in London as the war criminals march past. And even if he did, there's no connection. Compartmentalisation is one of the best things ever invented, so convenient. So black and white.

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Racism existed before the corporation. I knew you’d go off on a tangent. Again, wood for the trees. Do you really think racism was created in a vacuum? The state isn’t all powerful and these massive corporations can’t freely impose their ideology onto the unsuspecting masses without resistance. I have a problem with this top down approach you keep presenting because it leaves out the individual. There will always be wider problems in the world but they’re never solved without looking at the smaller details and just basic human interaction.

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At its root racism is a systemic agenda that has been carefully nurtured over centuries by those who benefit most from poverty, denial of education to the masses, war. Especially war because it's pretty damn hard to shoot somebody in the face when you perceive them to be the same as you.

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I agree with some of that but the root starts from the individual. You have to teach a child how to share, not to be selfish and how to be play with other kids nicely. :lol: Certain behavior doesn’t have to be taught. We’re naturally selfish and perceive difference as a threat. But this goes way beyond football. In short, Suarez could learn a thing or two here at Arsenal and in London.

PM me if you want to continue because I’m sure most people on here don’t want to hear this talk about inequality, Syria and war. Selfish human nature I guess. :lol: