Can we win the Premier League again under Wenger ?

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Originally Posted by selassie

Yes, but Chelsea are Champions, they know how to win titles. Chelsea have their own problems this season but they still strengthened what was an already very strong squad, a title winning squad.

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Did they though? They signed Falcao, who has scored 2 goals in a year. I suppose Pedro is strengthening, but while i think he is a very good player, i can see him being like Di Maria. They sold a world class keeper and replaced him with an average one, and signed a defender no one has heard off, and didnt even register him in their champions league squad.

and they have fabregas in midfield. A fraud who goes missing from christmas. WHile they have a very good squad, i wouldnt say they have strengthened.

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

Did they though? They signed Falcao, who has scored 2 goals in a year. I suppose Pedro is strengthening, but while i think he is a very good player, i can see him being like Di Maria. They sold a world class keeper and replaced him with an average one, and signed a defender no one has heard off, and didnt even register him in their champions league squad.

and they have fabregas in midfield. A fraud who goes missing from christmas. WHile they have a very good squad, i wouldnt say they have strengthened.

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Yes they did, they signed a player to rectify their weakest position in their team. Sure Falcao was a risk but that is besides the point, they don't have a problem scoring goals.

Why are we even talking about Chelsea? We have it all to prove not them!

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Originally Posted by Letters

Ok, but you said 'from what you've seen so far this season'.
If that's what you're judging us on than judge other teams in the same way. And on that basis City are champions elect, us and Chelsea are nowhere.
Past history is relevant of course but our past history shows we're capable of much better than we've seen so far this season, as are Chelsea.

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I am judging us on past history and past history tells us Man City and Chelsea challenge for titles and we don't. I am more than happy to be proved wrong, I am desperate for us to win the title again but I really don't see how we can win it if we don't improve our team, it's honestly ridiculous that Wenger thinks otherwise, what is he seeing that everybody else doesn't appear to see?

OK, That is fair enough but that's not what you said.

IMO we're pretty much good enough to challenge, Cech is a good upgrade at the back but we should have signed a proper striker. There should be plenty of goals in this side though, Giroud won't win the league but with people like Sanchez, Ozil and Ramsey chipping in the goal drought we've seen so far shouldn't continue. Chelsea only scored a couple more than us last year in the league.

Last year we lost it before we got going. If we keep in touch this year I think we have a chance. I think any of last year's top 4 are credible contenders.

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Originally Posted by Letters

OK, That is fair enough but that's not what you said.

IMO we're pretty much good enough to challenge, Cech is a good upgrade at the back but we should have signed a proper striker. There should be plenty of goals in this side though, Giroud won't win the league but with people like Sanchez, Ozil and Ramsey chipping in the goal drought we've seen so far shouldn't continue. Chelsea only scored a couple more than us last year in the league.

Last year we lost it before we got going. If we keep in touch this year I think we have a chance. I think any of last year's top 4 are credible contenders.

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I suppose what I was trying to say is it looks like normal service has been resumed. I personally don't think we're a good enough team to have a shakey start and expect to challenge for the title from behind whereas a team like Chelsea or City to a lesser extent are better equipped for title challenges. We're already a bit behind.

Cech is a great signing I agree, also agree about Sanchez and to a lesser extent Ramsey...only due to him being played out of position. The jury is still out on whether Ozil can provide a healthy return of goals.

I think it depends how shaky. Last season was a fiasco at the start. We were something like 15 points behind after 12 games, we were out of it before we started.
This year we have to stay in touch, if we do then given our run in I think we have a chance.

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Originally Posted by selassie

I suppose what I was trying to say is it looks like normal service has been resumed. I personally don't think we're a good enough team to have a shakey start and expect to challenge for the title from behind whereas a team like Chelsea or City to a lesser extent are better equipped for title challenges. We're already a bit behind.

Cech is a great signing I agree, also agree about Sanchez and to a lesser extent Ramsey...only due to him being played out of position. The jury is still out on whether Ozil can provide a healthy return of goals.

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Ozil wasn't bought to provide a healthy return of goals - he was bought to provide a healthy return of assists. That is where our problem lies. Ozil can provide as many assists as you like but only if he has the correct movement up top. We don't have a clever striker able to make the right moves & in the case of Giroud, we have a statue. Then, what if Ozil does chip in with 10 assists per game - we don't have a proven finisher to take these chances. Ozil may well have been part of Arsene's jigsaw but the guy is unwilling to put the right pieces in place to finish the jigsaw, mainly because other people are telling him what pieces he needs but he won't listen because ALL the other jigsaw experts are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Ozil wasn't bought to provide a healthy return of goals - he was bought to provide a healthy return of assists. That is where our problem lies. Ozil can provide as many assists as you like but only if he has the correct movement up top. We don't have a clever striker able to make the right moves & in the case of Giroud, we have a statue. Then, what if Ozil does chip in with 10 assists per game - we don't have a proven finisher to take these chances. Ozil may well have been part of Arsene's jigsaw but the guy is unwilling to put the right pieces in place to finish the jigsaw, mainly because other people are telling him what pieces he needs but he won't listen because ALL the other jigsaw experts are wrong.

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I quite understand there are not many WC CF around. We at least should try to sign another goal scoring wide forward to compliment current setup, Giroud is great at holding the ball inside the penalty anyway. If we could have another player in a caliber of Sanchez on the right wing, we would be scoring truck load of goals (Griezmann, Reus to name a few). We have great playmakers in Ozil and Cazorla (and decent defenders at the back) but Wengcunt refuse to complete the team up front. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Ozil wasn't bought to provide a healthy return of goals - he was bought to provide a healthy return of assists. That is where our problem lies. Ozil can provide as many assists as you like but only if he has the correct movement up top. We don't have a clever striker able to make the right moves & in the case of Giroud, we have a statue. Then, what if Ozil does chip in with 10 assists per game - we don't have a proven finisher to take these chances. Ozil may well have been part of Arsene's jigsaw but the guy is unwilling to put the right pieces in place to finish the jigsaw, mainly because other people are telling him what pieces he needs but he won't listen because ALL the other jigsaw experts are wrong.

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I agree, though I think he has it in him to score more, he's actually quite a good finisher.

Ozil is a great creator, just look at his record at Real, but he's not a ruthless finisher and won't ever be IMO, as mentioned above without someone to put away the chances he creates it's kinds pointless.

He's also much better in a team with pace as he's great at those breakaway counters, one of the best, we never utilise the guy to his maximum.