Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

No idea why you continue to pick at this. If it's tiresome move on! Why continue to pick the same fight on a daily basis with the same people?

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Because I want the messageboard to restore a bit of balance and actually debate things rather than being utterly blinded by all this bile.
It's ridiculous and I'm far from the only person who is sick of it.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Because I want the messageboard to restore a bit of balance and actually debate things rather than being utterly blinded by all this bile.
It's ridiculous and I'm far from the only person who is sick of it.

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That's going to be difficult under the current regime, the general vibe on here right now is similar to many Arsenal Messageboards, what do you expect?

I do get where you are coming from with wanting balanced debates but I stand by what I said above.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Oh stop the hyperbole, we finished 2nd, we didn't go down.
We should have won the league last year, we'll probably never have a better chance to. And for that he should be sacked. But some people, and you have become one of them, just criticise EVERYTHING he says or does, even if you agree with it. That's where it just gets tiresome. And, worse, you WUM someone like me by labelling me an 'AKB' if I gently suggest that maybe, while clearly past it, he's not the stupidest person on God's earth.

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"He should be sacked", is just your safety valve.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

A tactical change is so unlikely. By the time he's made a shift we'd have lost key players and other areas need addressing. During the Cesc era it took him years just to switch to a 4-3-3 formation and to stop playing guys like Eboue and Diaby on the wing. He never had the sense to play a Cesc and Rosicky/Nasri in the middle combo like we've seen over the past couple of seasons with Santi and Ozil playing there. He's not getting the best out the team and he's wasted the time of some very talented players.

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He desperately needs a right hand man that will tell him what he needs to hear and somehow make him hear it. But if even a legend like Henry gets booted for making the mildest observations then there's no real prospect of that. Xhaka's a very good player, but you can see so clearly why he has been brought in and why Wenger coveted him. He's ideal for Wenger's preferred system. We're probably seeing the best football we'll see all season during the pre-season. The kids were given a bit of license to play their game and it was fun to watch. But all that will tighten up come season kick off.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Because I want the messageboard to restore a bit of balance and actually debate things rather than being utterly blinded by all this bile.
It's ridiculous and I'm far from the only person who is sick of it.

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What balance? It's a one way street. Cash in, excuses out. Season after season. Where's the balance? You have a message board that reflects the reality. But you want one that reflects fantasy, an even mix of the bad that's gripped the club and seeped into every corner and the good that... remind me, what's the good bit we need to dedicate 50% of our time to?

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Originally Posted by bignev

Letters is right though

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Great. He's right. Now what?

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Originally Posted by selassie

That's going to be difficult under the current regime, the general vibe on here right now is similar to many Arsenal Messageboards, what do you expect?

I do get where you are coming from with wanting balanced debates but I stand by what I said above.

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I expect people to be rational, at least. Especially in the close season when there's no heat of the moment anger which is understandable just after a poor result.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Because I want the messageboard to restore a bit of balance and actually debate things rather than being utterly blinded by all this bile.
It's ridiculous and I'm far from the only person who is sick of it.

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Find more people to post on GW if you want more balance. Engage with other posters that make points about transfers and other topics if you're trying to encourage different discussions. Right now all you're doing is feeding into the nonsense. Other posters who are sick of it can speak for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Great. He's right. Now what?

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Now how about a bit of sensible debate rather than an endless moanathon. Is that too much to ask?

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Originally Posted by selassie

I don't even think we need a Lewandowski level type signing to upgrade on Giroud. Sure Lewandowski would be a dream signing and one that would elevate us but he's not obtainable and we are a step down from Bayern. Aubameyang may be possible but as you said he would cost a fair bit and we would face heavy competition.

When I say we are not prepared to spend, what I actually mean is that I don't believe Wenger sees value for money in buying say an Icardi, Morata or Dybala for say 40-50million, even someone like Lukaku...though I'm not totally sold on him. I personally feel we should be looking at a second tier striker like those names I have mentioned, someone who is young with room to grow and develop into a top class striker.

We know how much these types of strikers cost now and their value won't plummet so we either buy in that market or continue to suffer.

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Think of it this way, if Higuain at 29 in the 4 or 5th best league in Europe can go for £75m, what is Aubameyang at a younger age and proven at in a better league going to go for? Inter Milan are turning away bids for Icardi and saying not for sale. Juventus bought Dybala last season and won't be selling him at all. Morata at £50m+ is absurd. Strikers that can score are being clung onto because replacing them is extortionate and far from easy given the midfield heavy environment. The only reason I'm concerned about us paying £60/70m for someone unproven is the impact that would have on other areas of the team we could strengthen. Whether we can or should go into debt because of transfers doesn't matter because we all know the policy of our club; spend what we have. £100m could be spent in a window by ourselves without causing us hassle I think (based on our accounts) and nearly all of that would come from one striker. When we need a defender and a wide player too. We could sell on one or two like Theo, Ox etc but even the journalists can't be bothered to make up stories about that - no-one wants them it seems. I'm just trying to think things through realistically taking into account the money we would and could spend, against current market values and who actually would be for sale. The list really isn't that long.