If the fourth CL place went to the winners of the FA Cup, we'd have a far better chance of winning a trophy.
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If the fourth CL place went to the winners of the FA Cup, we'd have a far better chance of winning a trophy.
the invincibles side was built by wenger. too say otherwise is just stupid and belitting of his achievement. the only players in that side who was here before wenger was parlour and bergkamp (but he only for about 2 months), keown only just got his winners medal by making sub appearences in the final 30 seconds of the last 5 games. to say he didnt build that side is stupid, and shows how much people hate him that they can't give him credit for building the greatest team the premiership has ever seen because he built it, he won it, and he won it unbeaten. there is a reason why they were voted best team in the premiership 20 years, and it was because of wenger
We haven't had an unbeaten season since Pat Rice left.
I don't think I'd like that to happen because the FA Cup is (was?) a great trophy and cup final days are very special. I'd rather celebrate it for the occasion itself rather than it gaining us entry into a competition that only serves to line the pockets of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
:haha: thought this was going to be an actual rebuttal of me saying Wenger has never single built a title winning team in its entirety (operative word here), until I read the emboldened.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
And you are pretty much lying about Dennis only being here for 2 months before Wenger (though it doesn't matter really, be it a day or month or whichever), as he did join around the middle of 95 whils Wenger came here in 96.
Anyway, despite your condescending attempt, my point still stands - Wenger never did entirely (once again, operative word here for those who are doctorate level at misconstueing post) build a title winning team with only players he brought in. He's been at it since 05 or 06; I'd say time is running out on him, and at a brisk pace too.
And as GB pointed out, pretty no manager has done that. Mourinho certainly didn't. Does that nullify his achievements?
What's your point?
When you manage a club for so long, you are going to be required to do such in order to win (an actual title/trophy ie). That's my point.
I don't think he's capable tbh. He's tried on multiple occasions and has always fallen predictably short. The 07-08 was when he came closest, but even then we collapsed at the end, as did the 09-10/10-11 squads. No one's denying that he did a great job winning us the League and Cups (although I wouldn't say the Invincibles was the best Premiership side ever, that should go to the treble winning Utd squad of 1998-1999) but the true mark of a great manager has to be the ability to win back to back titles. Even when we had fantastic footballers, Wenger was never able to achieve that. After winning the league in 1997-1998, Utd went on a run of 3 consecutive titles. After 2001-2002, Utd pipped us at the end of the next season, despite us having a superior squad quality wise. After 2003-2004, Chelsea walked home with the title the next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
The idea that Bergkamp already being there means it wasn't Wenger's team is reaching.
He was a great player of course but had he not been surrounded by a lot of other great players, all bought and developed by Wenger, that team wouldn't have been anywhere near as good.
And why are people trying to misrepresent my arguments by making it seem that I was questioning Wengers greatness or achievements. All I did was point out the obvious.
Folks have even started mentioning Mourinho who's never stayed at any one club for any considerable amount of time, where he'd be required to build a title winning team by himself.