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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
The dispute between Ferguson and John Magnier was one outside of the club, it was Magnier who decided to up the ante by upping his shares in the club and putting the squeeze on Ferguson. Ultimately Ferguson was forced to back down by the club in any event, and settle out of court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The people responsible for the long term strategy of the club including the 60k stadium are the people i mentioned who aren't any longer with the club....the people who occupy the positions at the top now are largely following the blueprint of their predecessors.
Gazidis did well with the puma deal, and i have specculated that he may be trying at least to delegate some power away from Wenger but it scarcely seems enough
And as i've stated if the same club hierarchy was still in place, Wenger would not have been able to consolidate all this footballing authority for himself
I think the club was well run up until 2007, but after that a lot of people left in a short space of time and have not been adequately replaced leaving a clear disconnect between the board and the football aspect of the club
Inside, outside, it doesn't matter. Even if they wanted to get rid of Fergie they couldn't because their share prices would plummet and who knows where Utd would be today. Fergie turned the fans and his players against the shareholders making it a football matter. That's an example of a manager with serious power. Much like Wenger, our board have to be strategic about how he's handled.
Also, you need to define unchecked power. In what area does he have this power?
And, we're not following the blueprint of the old Board days otherwise Ivan wouldn't have appointed a new fitness coach and youth coaches on his own. We wouldn't have the new sponsorship deals. Those old Board members were out of date and we needed a revamp. Which is what we need on the management side.
Again with Gazidis the fitness and youth coach are examples of where he is trying to take control from Wenger from the football aspects, the fact that he's done this clearly shows he does not have faith with Wenger's current staff but at the same time has given him unequivocal backing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Again as i say the board members you call out of date were responsible for taking us from Highbury to the Emirates and putting a structure in place where we would not spend above our means.
They're applauded for that but that doesn't mean they weren't out of date. Same applies to Wenger. These are also the same people that handed Wenger so much power so I really don't get where you coming from with that point. If we're seeing the new regime trying to move revamp us now we're in a new era, how can you fault them, especially when they didn't hand the power to Wenger in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It's also worth reading what Ian Wright has to say on the Bould situation. If you've read Le Grove today you've heard about the coaching staff not being happy with Wenger and Wright has come out to say Bould is being ignored and Wenger didn't take his advice. Make of that what you will.
Again that only feeds back to what i'm saying, the coaching staff are not happy with Wenger and yet the board in their ivory tower thumb their noses at them and say "Arsene is the man for us"
And i'm sorry there wouldn't have been this utter disconnect and indifference with the people you claim as being out of date...these were the people who gave Rioch the push for his perceived lack of ambition.
The point is it wasn't until Edelman and Dein left the club that Wenger started taking up responsibilities at the club previously handled by both of the.
You're talking yourself in circles. Didn't they also give Wenger too much power and unchecked which is what your arguing against?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
This stuff with the coaching staff has only just broke today? What do you expect the Board to do? Tell Wenger how to do his job? Sack Wenger today? Something you clearly have said shouldn't happen in other discussions. If you suspect responsibility is being wrestled back from Wenger then what is your beef? We don't know what conditions were placed on Wenger with this new contract and we have no idea what's going on in the background regarding moves for a new manager. So you've got no facts about what's going on behind closed doors. We don't know how he's being manager up there and the only indication comes from the hiring and firing process. What's said behind closed doors will remain that way. Every board gives a manager the vote of confidence before giving them the boot so we just won't know until he's gone.
i'm saying wenger got the unchecked power when they left
the news was leaked today about the coaching staff being unhappy, it's hardly likely to be something that has recently happened....these members of staff they are thinking of themselves and their jobs so they aren't just going to leave but the likelihood is they've been unhappy for some time and the board has known about it for quite some time.
My point is that when an employee consistently underperforms questions must be asked of those who employed him (and yes that does include the current board who offered him a contract extension). I understand what you say about a sense of continuity and stability, but giving someone a three year contract gives only the impression that your completely satisfied with everything this manager has done and we can happily turn our backs and let him get on with it.
Would it not have been more prudent to offer a year extension and assessed his performance at the end of every season to determine whether he merits a new contract, mirroring Wenger's policy towards players at the twilight of their careers.
If there are more concrete attempts to wrest power back from Wenger between now and 2017 then i will retract my comments, similarly if he does finish 4th this season and they terminate his contract then also i will retract my comments.
However the AGM's give the distinct impression of a board that does not seem to realise or care that it's a football club it's in control of.
When Dein left he had more power but the old board was still there. Stan, Ivan, Fox and Chip came much later.
As for the unhappy staff, what do you propose the Board do about it?
If they've known about it for years that the guy is a control freak who cannot delegate (which i suspect they have) perhaps it would have been prudent not to have given the guy a three year contract and making it abundantly clear they were happy with everything he was doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Dein, Edelman and Friar all left within a year of each other....Fiszman remained in name but was battling against ilness, Wenger grabbed power in the vaccum left by these individuals.