Draxler is definitely coming home in the summer.
Unless Chelsea quintuple his wages during his flight over.
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Draxler is definitely coming home in the summer.
Unless Chelsea quintuple his wages during his flight over.
So you think the chavs will lowball the wage offer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Isn't Costa a compete and utter spitting, diving, moaning, bitchy turd of a human being rather in the character mould of Pepe? Or is that a different Costa? Do we want a player like that? Assuming yes - sign him up Arsene!
Tbf, every team needs a complete and utter spitting, diving, moaning, bitchy turd of a human being rather in the character mould of Pepe.
Signing Costa would pretty much rule out Cesc coming back I suppose. Unless we wanted two complete and utter spitting, diving, moaning, bitchy turds of a human being rather in the character mould of Pepe in the squad.
Latest stories suggest Costa's and Martinez's release clauses can't be activated until the summer - if true I guess we can forget about both of them for now...
Pepe is just mental, isn't he?
Suarez and Costa seem to be the type who'll do everything to win a game. Can't go wrong with a top quality cunt bastard in your team. Too many and you're Chelsea or United. One to complement our talented and hard-working nice boys would be good.
Although Wilshere has the potential to be a complete and utter spitting, diving, moaning, bitchy turd of a human being rather in the character mould of Rooney. Hopefully with his immunity powers too.
If Wenger can get the next best thing for under 25 million, then great, but he does have to focus on signing a top forward now. We have our token, young, injury prone, high potential pretender in Sanogo...
I expect a man of Wenger's talents to be on the ball now with the next forward. We let Negredo go under our noses for what seems a measly sum in today's market. Negredo was basically scouting child's play. Technically gifted, goal sharp, 6'1 Spanish international with a bit of beef to spare who has been around for some time. Everyone waslicking their lips over Llorente at a point whilst money bags were lining up a steal in Negredo.
The manager knows about every forward with any kind of ability in world football above the age of 12........so I will absolutely do my nut if the next one through the door doesn't have some serious ability.
It was clear after a fortnight he'd bollocked it with Negredo, but I expect nothing less from man desperately obssessed with Ligue 1. Its like Fergies obssession with Scots causing him to get Moyes the job. We should tell Wenger he can habe whoever he wants apart from Ligue 1 players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
On that note, what's happened to Jovetic by the way ? They spend £23m on him and I haven't even seen him play a single game :lol:
From what I've read he's had a lot of niggly injuries. And he's the type of player who only feels comfortable at 100%, so a broken toenail and he'll get a letter from mum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
:haha: He looked a decent player, so hopefully he's injured for a longer period then, would've been a good signing for us .Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
Also, Rosicky is staying for another year !
https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/421579389403287552
He spent the summer chasing a Spaniard and then a crazy Uruguayan to be fair.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Amazingly though, he clearly would have known about Negredo and not really considered him, which is a little bit of a concern considering just how good he has been.
I remember last season one of the guys on the Arsenal tuesday club podcast said Wenger needed to get a forward. He then stated that forward should be Alvaro Negredo. They asked him about his reasoning on this. He simply replied something along the lines of 'he's the top scorer in Spain beside the usual suspects in Messi, Cronaldo... and plays for Sevilla'.
His reasoning was simplistic and straight forward and he had probably never even seen him play, yet he was spot on! :doh: I'm aware that Soldado was also up there in the scoring charts, but I defy anyone to tell me on a direct comparison between the two players under close scrutiny, that they would have picked Soldado over Negredo?
Did we really pass this guy up....really!? REALLY!?? I'm going to give myself a stomach ulcer working myself up about wasting time on Suarez's 'camp' when we could have got this fella for a third of the price. :thumbsdown:
He's very good but there will be other strikers.
Defoe off to Toronto. :lol:
I think I'm particularly whiny about it because the apparent lack of options these days and the exceptional price tag they got him at.
Del Boy trying to hijack it....
Negredo, Soldado, don't need either. We already have Giroud, he may not be as lethal (or non-lethal) up top but roll the dice and take your pick, stick Negredo in the spuds team and Soldado in the gypos and all we'd be hearing about is Soldado. Don't need either unless we want a direct replacement and I bet you we'll be hearing, "whatever happened to Negredo", in no time at all. That's because he's playing at a circus, not a football club. And circus performers always have their time in the spotlight but things will change there with the next mercenary uprising. Who we really need is Henry Mk II - who is he? Where do we find him? Pace, technical ability, flair, etc, etc. Our plan B, or even plan A.
I'm right with you. I was making similar posts a couple months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
As for the head-to-head with Soldado, that was an actual thing during the summer. I remember Spain-based pundits sitting on the fence re who was the better.
This proves how overrated "technical ability" is though. Apparently Soldado is better because hes pretty on the ball. He must be the Wilshere of forwards
http://www.totalfootballforums.com/f...do-vs-soldado/
No Diaby this season either.
Who he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
Sorry but that's utter nonsense, he scored plenty of goals for Sevilla before and that wasn't a circus as you call it. He's not Henry but then if we wanted someone like him we should have snapped up Aguero when the opportunity was there, doesn't change the fact Negredo is quality though, he's good got technique, scored goals and is dangerous in and around the box, Giroud is not at the same level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Ahhh... He's only had one good season and that was last season. He only scored 2 goals in 13 european games before joining City.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Dunno anything about him but just looked his stats up and while you're correct, overall he's got a 1 in 2 records which is pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
So what? Giroud offers as much as Negredo overall - in practical terms. Maybe a bit less up top but more in other areas of the pitch. My point is Negredo wouldn't improve us significantly. Sure, it would be nice to have a replacement if Giroud gets injured, or play Negredo and stick Giroud on the bench or whatever, but we could also do with a different type of striker that opens up our options when we play certain types of opponents. More pace and the technique to go with it, preferably. No point lamenting the fact we didn't get Negredo, even if we had we'd still only have the one striker of that type as I assume we wouldn't have bought Giroud. A few months back it was Giroud, Giroud, Giroud in the media. Now it's Negredo, Negredo, Negredo. It'll spin around again and then again and so on, it's what the media does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
186 goals in 402 games, that's a pretty good record over an extended period of time, he also had two seasons where he scored lots for Sevilla, a side who haven't been that great in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
He offers one thing which is the most important thing a forward can offer, goals. This alone makes him a better option than Giroud, he also cost 14.6 million which is pocket change these days and thus low risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Now sure we can now go out and spend 32 million on Costa, a player less proven than Negredo in reality but that's a lot of money and a big risk. It would be great to sign a player like Henry who scores, goals has pace, technique etc, but these players aren't readily available and when they are cost an absolute bomb and thus you're risking a lot of money on a player.
He's got 8 goals, same as Giroud.
He's scored 18 in all, 7 more than Giroud, despite this being his 1st season in this league. Giroud got 17 all season in his 1st season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Think Zim's winning this one tbh.
You're counting goals against Ecuador, Belarus, Georgia and so on? Or three against a side that capitulated after two minutes in the Disney Cup? If we're just using blanket stats then Toure is just as good a striker as the pair of them, only trouble being he's not a striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Well no. Giroud is winning this one because he's striker for the team at the top of the league. That may change of course, but right now how much more impact could Negredo have had in our shirt? You could say he might have turned the tide against Utd and changed that result, for example. Pure speculation. But he could also have put in a shit performance against one of the lesser sides we beat and the gypos lost to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Plus there's the fact the refs are blatantly cheating for city at home, that will have a bearing on everything.
I'm counting all the goals scored in England which is what counts, you can't pick and choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Right that's all down to Giroud I suppose :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Negredo scored the goal to give them the lead against us btw at 1-1
Giroud has been poor in recent games, he had a good spell but I have to say he's offered very little recently and we've looked toothless up front when he's played.
Giroud had a good start to the season but since the Southampton game he's only got one league goalQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/ol...82442.html#GB1
I rate him but he's not at the level of a striker who will lead the line in a title winning side. I don't know enough about Negrado to know whether he'd be a huge improvement but we need better if we're serious about pushing on.
Even if I were to accept the idea Giroud is at Negredo's level, we only have one Giroud. Only one player consistently capable of playing in his position. Some try to argue that Bendtner is of the same ilk but most peoples issue with the Dane is nothing to do with him being too similar to Giroud. There is enough room in a squad for 2 players that are similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
In Negredo falls off the radar it will be because he understandably is competing with world class forwards and not the likes of Nicklas Bendtner for a first team place. There is no shame in that even if it is a circus act of a club.
I don't see the need to bring Negredo's goals into it (although it is quite respectable) but just watching him play a few times, seeing how he handles himself against defenders and the goals he makes for himself is quite telling. I remember earlier this season I watched City against Everton. Negredo completely mugged off Distin(I think it was) in one touch of the ball on the edge of the area and in the second touch the ball was in the net. Soldado would have never scored that goal....not in a million years and certainly not against a defence like Everton's on the edge of the area. As much as I like Giroud and am happy we have him, he wouldn't have scored that either.
They are only comparable in nationality and goal tallies from last season in my view. He has looked easily the equal of anyone at City (though Aguero is better) and if we had him, I'd have no doubt we would be about 5 points ahead rather than 1 right now.
You would have to go back some considerable time to recall a forward as good for the price he came at.....but time will tell for sure if he is a dud, which I most certainly believe he is not.
I suspect the Spanish pundits were making the comparison without the consideration of who would do better in the premier league. Had they done so I don't think they'd had been quite so splintered by the fence they were perched upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
I fully agree. Negredo was an unbelievable miss. I'd never heard of him before despite his impressive record, and just looking at him you can tell he was tailor made for the EPL. He's an animal.
The argument isn't how much better is he than Giroud. The argument is how much better our squad would be with Negredo in it. I'd go as far to say if we were given Negredo now, we'd be clear favorites for the league. People are skeptical about our chances because the whole world knows that any injury/loss of form to Giroud is catastrophic to our chances.
Our need for a striker is so obvious. You can't say options don't exist when you have players like Negredo and Higuain moving clubs over the summer.
By the same token, you can't say options don't exist when you have Martinez (32m release clause), Benteke (Probably 20-25m), or even Berbatov (2m).
I must admit I do find it absolutely hilarious that we could (apparently) just get Giovinco on loan and Berbatov for 2m. This would emphatically complete our squad and help us maintain our title challenge. Not having options AT LEAST as good as that by the end of January is tantamount to mismanagement for me. Of course this is assuming that Giovinco is indeed available for loan.
We'll find out one way the other if we have enough to win the title. I don't think Giroud is enough but we've held out long enough till the transfer window opened. I believe a major signing is more fuel to the fire to inspire this squad.
Gonçalo Lopes @_GoncaloLopes
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15m offer from Arsenal to buy Antoine Griezmann. Morata just a second option.
:popcorn:Quote:
Real Sociedad asks 30m for Antoine Griezmann
Hope this happens.
Hey Maccy, how good is Griezmann?
Tbf to Wenger, he wasn't the only manager to miss out on Negredo. I don't even think his name was mentioned in the transfer speculation thread on here until City had already signed him. In hindsight it was clearly a mistake to let him go, especially for that price, but he wasn't exactly in high demand.
Pretty good. Slightly questionable attitude - was recently banned after going for a late night session before matchday but otherwise has had a great 18 months. Scored some beauties this season, has a very strong strike and with no little skill.
In short: sign him up!