Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

only because they value him.

at any other point a football club can be the cunt to drop a player. times have changed.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

I hold our best (and most highly-paid) players to the highest standards.

you can spinelessly blame the tea-boy or denilson if you like tho :tiphat:

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o...k...
i think the whole team and the management were to blame for the debacle last year, i dont any one individual can be blamed.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I personally don't think it's been anywhere near as bad as you're making out, he's not slagged off he club, he's not said if you don't sell me I'll strike etc...Barca want him and he's happy to move back, who wouldn't be to a club like that when you're at a club who have now got a reputation of being proven losers.....with a manager who won't change?

One player does not make a team, a team is a sum of it's parts....Wenger has failed to build a good enough team that's why we've failed to win trophies, with better signings we'd have won stuff with Cesc.

Like I said people have got very bitter and yet the man who is really to blame get's a much easier ride.

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Your point re Wenger is a good one. He is more to blame for putting the club in this position. I think he has been as delusional about his ability to persuade Fabregas to stay as he was misguided about making him captain, and convincing him to stay for another season last Summer.

And I think that with hindsight, Wenger's greatest 'crime' has been to build an empire of young players whose loyalty was principally to him, as an individual, than to the club. This has resulted in this alarming want away culture amongst our best players now his 'genius' is seriously open to question.

But IMHO it is naive to defend Fabregas' behaviour in all of this. He has been very subtle about it all, but he has effectively been on strike this Summer and at the very least he has been complicit in allowing Barca to get him on the cheap, while seriously destabilising our club and its reputation and disrupting our season's preparation. If you recall the CL second leg in Barca last season - what we were seeing was a Barcelona player in waiting captaining our team.

Like I say, we can all relate to a player wanting to play for his hometown club, but this does not hide the fact that he has ultimately damaged us in the process.

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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping

I have no issue with any of that. My point is that Farbregas has benefitted from AFC probably as much as AFC has benefitted from him. Difference is that AFC hasn't ended the relationship by being a bit of a cunt.

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he couldnt cut it as a CM so wenger found a new position for him (AM). the player himself admitted he prefers to play deeper and is less comfortable at AM but wenger did it cos he knew he was simply costing us games in CM (08/09 season, early defeats to hull etc)

what other top club would find a new position for a player who has failed at another? united? they bombed out veron, forlan etc who are more talented than cesc.

we have done more for him than him us.

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Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo

o...k...
i think the whole team and the management were to blame for the debacle last year, i dont any one individual can be blamed.

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I said 07/08

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

only because they value him.

at any other point a football club can be the cunt to drop a player. times have changed.

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Well - to a point. AW has a pretty good record of treating players with dignity and letting them leave if they really want to - and a perhaps less enviable record of not being trigger happy when it comes to dropping players.

I agree that top players have wrested initiative from clubs - but they can often be cunts as a result.

the wider point is that it makes little sense to castigate a player for seemingly being a cunt when our club can do the same. edu, cole and diarra would probably argue that could be the case.

Our team isn't built around Fabregas anymore.

The other players simply aren't good enough to supply the same level of end product he does, even when he's playing below form.

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Originally Posted by Boss

Our team isn't built around Fabregas anymore.

The other players simply aren't good enough to supply the same level of end product he does, even when he's playing below form.

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Well Utd won the league last year with players who aren't of the same class as Fabregas, and it was built on teamwork, pure and simple.

The fact is, we shouldn't have to rely on one player, and in order to heal that wound, we need to make fucking sure that we start working for each other more.

Fabs is gone. Get over it.

I already am.

Whatever else, this is the first time in years we haven't had a genuine world class star at the club. RvP just hasn't been on the pitch enough to warrant the billing and Jack is still progressing. Bergkamp, Henry, Fabregas (has the talent but cannot be compared to the other two in terms of character) and now...

Chamakh.

BTW, Fabregas knew what he was doing, the fucker was even knocking around with his Barca chums this summer when everyone knew this was likely to be the year he'd run. The captain is meant to stay with the ship, a principle that may be dead in the modern, "enlightened" world so fair enough - in practical terms he's done what's best for him. But let's not give him and credit or his excuses any credence just because he has turned out the be as bland and ordinary and pathetic in terms of character as mostly anybody else you could pull in off the street. Where are the fucking heroes gone? And yes, they really did exist. They weren't perfect but they had a lot more about them than these shitty little people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

the wider point is that it makes little sense to castigate a player for seemingly being a cunt when our club can do the same. edu, cole and diarra would probably argue that could be the case.

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Yeah, there is. You call the player a cunt and then you call the business a cunt. You don't give one a pass because the other is just as bad. Maybe we should look at football in a wider sense and ask why it has become acceptable for both the club and the players to shit on the fans, and the amount of shit seems to rise in direct relation to the huge increase in rewards. I hear Murdoch is out of phone tapping, perhaps he ought to be out of football too. And those Arabs and Russian gangsters, are they really so good for the game?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Yeah, there is. You call the player a cunt and then you call the business a cunt. You don't give one a pass because the other is just as bad.

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exactly, both cunts, so no one gets a pass

Is a player a cunt for wanting to take a better offer? Not really, that's life and we're glad enough when players want to come here as a step up so we shouldn't be too outraged when it happens the other way. Is he a cunt for being a little bitch and leaving us with no option? Hells yeah.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Well Utd won the league last year with players who aren't of the same class as Fabregas, and it was built on teamwork, pure and simple.

The fact is, we shouldn't have to rely on one player, and in order to heal that wound, we need to make fucking sure that we start working for each other more.

Fabs is gone. Get over it.

I already am.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I personally don't think it's been anywhere near as bad as you're making out, he's not slagged off he club, he's not said if you don't sell me I'll strike etc...Barca want him and he's happy to move back, who wouldn't be to a club like that when you're at a club who have now got a reputation of being proven losers.....with a manager who won't change?

One player does not make a team, a team is a sum of it's parts....Wenger has failed to build a good enough team that's why we've failed to win trophies, with better signings we'd have won stuff with Cesc.

Like I said people have got very bitter and yet the man who is really to blame get's a much easier ride.

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I never said it was his fault on one player makes a team. out of 7 Seasons with us really he has had about 3 good ones at best, Why did he feel the need to sign a new deal if he never wanted to stay.

Im not upset he wants to leave because he loves barca fair do's but while he is still our captain id like him to behave like it, id ratther he came out and said he wanted to leave sooner so this could have been sorted quicker.

This whole pool fab routine is wearing thing imo.

Good player he may be and and even greater player he may go on to be, but he will never ever be an Arsenal Legend. You put any bit of quality next to the shite we have they look like world class stars too.

The reason we have not won things is not because Aw failed to build a team, its because Aw has Failed to manage a Championsip or trophy winning team, the way it should be managed. .

Press in spain are announcing teh transfer has ben finalised and he will be revealed as a Barca player tomorrow

He has agreed a 5 year contract and is on his way to Spain where he will be presented as a Barca player this weekend.

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Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo

Press in spain are announcing teh transfer has ben finalised and he will be revealed as a Barca player tomorrow

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Great timing ahead of our first league game.

Fucksake. What is wrong with our mob. Are they intentionally trying to do everything is the most absurd and stupid way possible?? Bloody fuckstick.

Quite hilarious how anytime a player wants to leave people on here start writing off below par seasons they had.

Cesc's only performed in '3 out of 7' seasons but still has the highest assist rate in Europe over the last five years? Must have been phenomenal in those three then.

As for the club not treating Fabregas like a cunt, is this the same club which sells it's better players year after year, rarely replaces them with the same quality and hasn't made any improvements in 6 years?

It would probably be better for us if Cesc was sold and the money properly reinvested but since it won't the desire to get rid on here is pretty naive. All the people slaughtering him on here would be sucking his dick major hard were he to stay.

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Originally Posted by Boss

Quite hilarious how anytime a player wants to leave people on here start writing off below par seasons they had.

Cesc's only performed in '3 out of 7' seasons but still has the highest assist rate in Europe over the last five years? Must have been phenomenal in those three then.

As for the club not treating Fabregas like a cunt, is this the same club which sells it's better players year after year, rarely replaces them with the same quality and hasn't made any improvements in 6 years?

It would probably be better for us if Cesc was sold and the money properly reinvested but since it won't the desire to get rid on here is pretty naive. All the people slaughtering him on here would be sucking his dick major hard were he to stay.

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Not now, mate. People have had enough and just want this over now.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Great timing ahead of our first league game.

Fucksake. What is wrong with our mob. Are they intentionally trying to do everything is the most absurd and stupid way possible?? Bloody fuckstick.

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Yeah, you know exactly what the focus of the press will be on tomorrow, but let's hope we show everyone there's more to this team than Cesc.

No problem with him going. He's served us well, always made it clear he wanted to go back to Barca and stayed longer than he really wanted to.
I do have a problem if we don't buy with the money though, all the noises are that we have to sell to buy and that if we sell Cesc we will re-invest.
We had bloody better do.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

No problem with him going. He's served us well, always made it clear he wanted to go back to Barca and stayed longer than he really wanted to.I do have a problem if we don't buy with the money though, all the noises are that we have to sell to buy and that if we sell Cesc we will re-invest.We had bloody better do.

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We'll get an inexperienced defender or summin for £12m....maybe another young player for £10m. What we need is a £20m+ player but nobody who is a star player for their team will be available just hours before the season starts -- they're not us.

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Originally Posted by Boss

Quite hilarious how anytime a player wants to leave people on here start writing off below par seasons they had.

Cesc's only performed in '3 out of 7' seasons but still has the highest assist rate in Europe over the last five years? Must have been phenomenal in those three then.

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As for the club not treating Fabregas like a cunt, is this the same club which sells it's better players year after year, rarely replaces them with the same quality and hasn't made any improvements in 6 years?

It would probably be better for us if Cesc was sold and the money properly reinvested but since it won't the desire to get rid on here is pretty naive. All the people slaughtering him on here would be sucking his dick major hard were he to stay.

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Chill out everyone, Fabregas and Nasri out, Scott Dann in, it's on!

Great news, none of this foreign pansy shite anymore, just good honest English lads.

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Originally Posted by Syn

We'll get an inexperienced defender or summin for £12m....maybe another young player for £10m. What we need is a £20m+ player but nobody who is a star player for their team will be available just hours before the season starts -- they're not us.

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What is funny is that Spurs paid £8mil for Rafael Van Der Vaart

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Great news, none of this foreign pansy shite anymore, just good honest English lads.

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MO, Dann is shit I'm afraid. Finding out came as a blow to me too, but we might as well accept it now rather than suffer a whole season in anticipation. The only reason we're after him is because we might be able to get him for £6mill. It's a tight wad move by Wenger in the hope some of the fans will be placated. Even if it's just you that approves and everyone else is livid, Wenger will say, "Look, look, MO approves so I am right!" Do you really want to be the person responsible for giving him the easy out?

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Originally Posted by Boss

Quite hilarious how anytime a player wants to leave people on here start writing off below par seasons they had.

Cesc's only performed in '3 out of 7' seasons but still has the highest assist rate in Europe over the last five years? Must have been phenomenal in those three then.

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bar ronaldo in his last couple years at united and now at real, no other big club have been so blatently built around one player.

do you want me to compare ronaldos stats to cescs or not?

wenger messed up. if youre gonna build a team around someone, do it around someone who can win games and titles for you, not around someone who passes the ball to others quite well, sometimes.

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Guillem Balague
Interesting: Arsenal hanging on for a deal. Im afraid the cellebrations from Barcelona were premature and that must have hurt Arsenal board

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Originally Posted by BOBN

bar ronaldo in his last couple years at united and now at real, no other big club have been so blatently built around one player.

do you want me to compare ronaldos stats to cescs or not?

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that would be silly as they are different types of players

one was/is selfish and loves to shoot whilst the other loves to pass

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Originally Posted by Boss

Quite hilarious how anytime a player wants to leave people on here start writing off below par seasons they had.

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Revisionist history ftw. :good:

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Guillem Balague
Interesting: Arsenal hanging on for a deal. Im afraid the cellebrations from Barcelona were premature and that must have hurt Arsenal board

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

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Avin a fuckin bubble...jesus.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

bar ronaldo in his last couple years at united and now at real, no other big club have been so blatently built around one player.

do you want me to compare ronaldos stats to cescs or not?

wenger messed up. if youre gonna build a team around someone, do it around someone who can win games and titles for you, not around someone who passes the ball to others quite well, sometimes.

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Not sure what you mean when you say our team is built around Fabregas as I disagree that it is. If you mean Cesc is our main creative force then yes, agreed, but the point of our three man midfield is all three can attack and defend at times, not two midfielders covering for Cesc (as you often spout on here).

No point comparing Cesc to Ronaldo as they're different players but then you already knew that.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

that would be silly as they are different types of players

one was/is selfish and loves to shoot whilst the other loves to pass

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well shooting >>>>> passing

one has netted united titles and the CL, the other netted arsenal nothing.

good passers are a dime-a-dozen on the continent. if fabregas was at villareal now nobody would be talking about him.

Maybe it's just better to wait and watch. Fabregas and Messi are going to dominate Europe for many years to come. Frightening.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

well shooting >>>>> passing

one has netted united titles and the CL, the other netted arsenal nothing.

good passers are a dime-a-dozen on the continent. if fabregas was at villareal now nobody would be talking about him.

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that first bit would make sense if football was a game of running from your goal line and shooting but as we both know, creative midfielders and strikers are the guys that cost the big bucks.

one scored a lot, won titles and was surrounded with strong minded players ready to win. no need to compare that to our team in recent years is there?

so you're basically saying that villareal are full of defence splitting players? i dont get why half of europe aren't trying to sign their players

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Originally Posted by Boss

Not sure what you mean when you say our team is built around Fabregas as I disagree that it is. If you mean Cesc is our main creative force then yes, agreed, but the point of our three man midfield is all three can attack and defend at times, not two midfielders covering for Cesc (as you often spout on here).

No point comparing Cesc to Ronaldo as they're different players but then you already knew that.

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I mean every component of the side is there to get the best out of fabregas (I bet arshavin was dropped because he wasnt playing along) and I believe the players are encouraged to give him the ball as much as possible (the wilshere to fabregas pass stats are hideous for a young player in wilshere who can find any pass).

he is also required to do fack all defensive work....a player who began at barca in the defensive guardiola mould required to do no defensive work. not even press. words fail me...

Bad times atm. I keep getting shit from mates saying we're fucked cesc AND nasri going hahahaha UNLUCKY and goons over the xbox saying the same thing as i have Arsenal in my gamertag.


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Originally Posted by BOBN

I mean every component of the side is there to get the best out of fabregas (I bet arshavin was dropped because he wasnt playing along) and I believe the players are encouraged to give him the ball as much as possible (the wilshere to fabregas pass stats are hideous for a young player in wilshere who can find any pass).

he is also required to do fack all defensive work....a player who began at barca in the defensive guardiola mould required to do no defensive work. not even press. words fail me...

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Your posts are almost exclusively nonsense.

No offence.