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I WISH!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
I saw this earlier and while I get irritated when people just by default slam everything Wenger says, even if they agree with it, I have to say this:Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Is weapons grade balonium.Quote:
Wenger insisted it was ideal to have six of his first-team squad in the final 12 months of their deals.
*roof falls off house*
"This is an ideal situation, now I don't have to go outside to sun-bathe!"
*starts to rain*
"This is an ideal situation, nice and refreshing"
...and so on :doh:
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Originally Posted by selassie
:doh: The guy needs to sit down with the people that sold us Lacazette. They kept topping up his contract and refused to sell until they got what the right price.Quote:
Why? Because transfers become so high, even for normal players, they will go to the end of the contract because no-one will want to pay the amount of money that is demanded. I am convinced that in the next 10 years that will become usual.
He's talking as if Ozil and Sanchez don't have a year left on their contract. They're value has been shot to shit. If the idiots just gave them the money they want it spares us from having to fork out serious cash on an inferior player. Clubs will end up paying out for the contract because they know it's cheaper than spending £100m on the transfer fee plus the extra money on wages.
What sort of economic student was he?
Yep, this situation is absolutely on Wenger and the club, how could it have got to this? It's honestly amazing. Wenger is fooling nobody with this nonsense about it being good for the team/club/blah blahQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What is even more comical is that it's gone from the club needing every single last penny by selling players to now it being OK for the club to let the best players contracts run down and loose them for nothing.
The whole thing is one giant mess and Wenger has his paws all over it.
:lol: I know!Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Well we have 2 more years of the guy to come, at least. Within the year he may have lost a big chunk of the squad, and with his antic over Lemar it shows he's still not prepared to accept the realities of the market, crazy as they are. So unless he's going to recapture his eye for spotting talent, we have a bleak period mapped out. We could be mid-table by the time Wenger gets around to awarding himself his next contract.
Stan's giving him a run for his money in the popularity stakes. His new "conservation" channel has gone down about as well as Wenger's eye for spotting talent.
What a pair they are.
Typical Wenger trying to reinvent the wheel with some hipster bullshit.
Under no circumstances is having a group of first team players, some of whom are key, enter their final year without any designs of long term commitment an "ideal situation". Does this happen at other top clubs?
Christ. To think there were some people amongst the fanbase who were happy this guy signed up for another 2 years. He's a soul sapping fruitloop, I completely resent him for making me feel so disconnected from the club I love.
Because they are in the final year of the contract does not mean the contract is in the final year. If they extend then it is not the final year. Is this the waiting period or the wanting period? Maybe we know, maybe we don't know. Maybe the player will tell you, maybe not. If they sign or do not sign depends on many things. Speculation is unhelpful and maybe means the team loses games. Fans who love the club will know this but sometimes you have fans who only want to win games and do not think about the club.
He's either completely losing the plot, or just openly taking the piss out of the fans. Either way it's a disgrace he is still in charge of this club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Fuck Wenger, Kroenke, Gazidis and the rest of their cronies. I have never felt less enthusiastic about a season starting.
Really would be happier if we resigned inamoto and sacked the entire backroom staff. We give players who don't deserve it like Jenkinson and bendtner long term deals and can never offload them but good players who play Well for us have all the power and are given shorter dealsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
:haha: brilliant!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
United have signed Matic. 40m. :lol:
:lol: Yep, classic Wenger, don't forget he's smarter than everyone else though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
You would have thought after last season there would be some kind of humility there, some kind of plan, but oh know...he reverts to type, it's him against the world, he's right and everybody else is wrong.
I hear ya MO, I can't stand him either and I know exactly what we are in for this season, totally and utterly sick of it.
Never really subscribed to the "Wenger's Gone Mental" school of thought but when he starts saying that having so many players in the last year of their contracts is "ideal" it does make one wonder...
Wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well, yeah. We've hardly fallen apart as a club, we just missed out on top 4 last year but that's the first time and we did pick up a trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
He's not gone completely mad. But quotes like this...I mean there's spinning things and then there's this lunacy.
Maybe he just meant players with 1 year left in their contract is when I deal.
:lol: Yeah, that could be it!
Penny pinching wankers in the board room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We are in trouble if neymar goes to psg, barca will bid for coutinho and maybe they Will snag Lamar of us. There will be more inflation in the market to come soon, we must act now and get the players in
We're making a right mess of a transfer window once again, now into August Lacazette is our only proper signing (don't count the freebie) and we're nowhere near getting anyone else and don't seem to be able to shift any of the players we don't want either and on top of that we've got our 3 best players out of contract next summer so it's even worse than usual.
I'm not surprised, it's expected from us, to those who wanted Wenger to sign on, well done, maybe it'll all change next year or the year after that when he signs on again. It's also possible that we'll be able to take a lift to Mars or the moon in the next year or two, keep the faith.:good:
So if Sanchez goes on a free next summer that won't be a proper signing for someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Are we really going to stick to our guns and refuse Alexis the extra 25k per week he wants? It'll cost several trillion quid to adequately replace him the way this crazy market is heading, so it's way, way cheaper to pay him what he wants. I can't fathom why we are still playing the wage structure game in a league that has no wage structures.
No cos he's not some unknown unproven nobody, he's performed and scored goals at the highest level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Remember how this all began? We heard Alexis and Ozil wanted 300k per week. People said crazy! No way. But if the supposed experts at the club had their finger on the pulse they'd have quickly realised that was the going rate. They could have agreed and got the two players signed up and avoided all this speculation. Of course that would have relied on that selfish git Wenger sorting out his contract quickly as well. We all knew the guy was staying, it was no great secret. So months beforehand he could have signed, instead of hanging around waiting for a cup win to justify what couldn't be justified regardless.
Who are the "experts" at the club who should have seen this developing and acted decisively? Ivan? For all his talk, he's fast asleep at the wheel and a full lap behind the pack. He's let the Wenger situation develop. He let the contracts of our key players wind down. Kroenke is the invisible man (maybe he'll make an appearance on his new blood lust channel) so this falls on Ivan. We all know what Wenger's going to do, but he's not in charge and it's beyond the time Ivan finds his balls and lays down the law. Sign here Wenger, or we'll announce you're leaving. End of.
With the Wenger deal done, focus could have turned to the players. So who are the "experts" that are supposed to be tracking the state of the market and figuring out valuations and trends? I really don't know. Who is it supposed to be? It's probably Wenger again, isn't it? The guy who decides when, who, how and where in every instance and on every matter. Fucking ridiculous. We all know he's got zero clue in terms of this market. We all know he's got deep personal issues when it comes to engaging with the market, spending money, paying senior players. No problem paying tons to youngsters and shit players though. Reports in the media today we can't shift the dross because nobody wants to pay the wages.
But do you see how Wenger's incompetence and selfishness and Ivan's lack of balls has inexorably brought us to this point?
Then we had the Lemar farce. 30 million? Really? Is that our resident expert at work again? If we'd have gone in with the current 50 mill bid from the outset, what's the chance Lemar would be wearing an Arsenal shirt now? Instead we do a variation on Suarez again, drag the whole thing out, lose the momentum and let our rivals sweep in and do their business.
Wenger's fingerprint are everywhere. Hence one huge fucking mess. And somebody better coax the pitiful Ivan out of the corner and demand the fucker gets a grip. That would be Stan's job I guess?
Who?
Where did he go?
What a farce.
A wage structure that involves paying rubbish players big amounts so that they don't feel left out and don't get jealous (the very same players we're now stuck with and can't get rid of - they probably don't want to leave either, nice life earning big bucks to live in London), what loon came up with that deluded idea, oh wait we know who :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Been saying this for a while now. It goes back to when we let Flamini leave on a free. We have some real idiots running the club. We pay above and beyond for the players that are far from reaching their potential and just happy to start games but we won't pay the wages for players that are in demand and can command a higher wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We've now reached the same sort of situation for Ox, Wilshere, Jenkinson and Gibbs that we've seen before with the likes of Bendy, Diaby, Denilson and Walcott. Injury prone players earning too much. Players not good enough but on high wages so difficult to shift. Or a player with potential but inconsistent that could earn way above what they should be earning. All because we've paid way too much too early. We don't learn.
Just listening to the Arsenal Vision Podcast. Tim Stillman was at the QA session where Ivan Gazidis was speaking and said for the first time, he saw Ivan fluff his lines when someone asked if it was a unanimous decision to renew Wenger's contract. He skirted around the question without answering which suggests it wasn't unanimous. From what I recall, Wenger bypassed the Board and spoke directly to Stan Kroenke. Either way, we have a Board that have no balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Nor is this bloke. Obviously he's no Sanchez but people who watch the league he plays have spoken highly of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The point is the fact he is free is not a valid reason for discounting him as a good signing.
If nothing major happens for us know until End of August - surely this window goes down as Wengers greatest fuck up - which takes some doing. Unlike other years where we had qualified for the C.L, even the fuckers in charge who bow as he walks past would have to question how their share price is to be affected by the negative Wenger effect.
Gazidis told us we were going to be different from now on & the emphasis would be to buy quality players to improve the squad. Unless something happens in the next few weeks, again the powers that be have lied in order to back their man.
Forget talk of Lemar & Mbappe - the league table last year quiet clearly shows our issues. We can score goals in line with the top teams but we defend like a mid-table team. Yes, we needed a quality striker, have done for ages but nobody has mentioned the fact that we have a ageing keeper with no quality understudy. In my opinion Kos is the only defender we have, particularly now playing a back 3 of any quality. We saw at the weekend that we are being asked to play football from the back - how many goals & chances came from us playing around at the back, being caught on the ball deep in our own half - YOU CANT DO THIS WITH NON FOOTBALLING DEFENDERS.
We have been linked with Seri & Carvalho - to fill positions where we already have numbers. Maybe Seri would be an improvement but Carvalho is a useless blob who Wengers been in for ages whilst no other top team has been interested. If we get him we'll pay more than we would have 2 years ago when we could have bought him were it not for Wengers reluctance to pay the money that is required. Exactly like the Lacazette situation, where an extra 10 mill a few years ago would have got him for less than whats its now cost.
If we seriously want Lemar - another good year for Monaco would mean us having to pay the kind of money that Wenger seems reluctant to pay now - when does he learn.
However, why would we want Lemar if Sanchez is staying - as Le Prof is promising us. Lemar is a left sided attacking midfielder which is Sanchez's role. How does he improve the starting 11. If we get him & Sanchez leaves it will weaken our starting 11 because the lad is simply not as good.
We have had pre-season, played the Emirates Cup & now we have the Charity Shield - again players badly needed to improve the team have not been acquired & all the time the price goes up & the clock ticks down - same old story. Everton & Man City didnt seem to have trouble doing big business early doors. Did Wenger not realise that the Monaco team was going to ripped to shreds, so the later you leave things the less likely they are going to want to sell. How long did it take City to sort out the Mendy deal?
Having said all of the above, we have to remember where we actually stand in the footballing world now. We are a team going backwards under a dinosaur manager who's board is too scared to take a shit without asking Wengers permission. Lets not believe or think we deserve to sign world class players because we don't. World class players normally want to compete at the top - why would they want to join us.
He kinda is though, he's not a household name everyone knows about, pretty sure most people hadn't even really ever noticed him playing if they did see him. I'm not realy bothered about that signing to be honest, we need to aim higher than him, he's a squad filler IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
http://www.bundesliga.com/en/tots/Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You can prove anything with facts :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Fake news!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We've had enough of experts.
If I don't see it on the side of a bus then I'm not believing it :sulk:
What GP said :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Let's wait and see shall we. So far, in pre-season, he's looked abject defensively but pretty effective going forward. Of course he's now playing in a Wenger system, so defensively maybe abject is the best that can be hoped for.
Reserving judgment until I’ve seen him play. Granit Xhaka made Team of the Year for the Bundesliga before he came to us and I’m far from convinced he’s the right signing for us. No idea how Kolasanic will fit into our system but he has to be an upgrade on what we currently have.
Doesn't mean a lot, as has been mentioned Xhaka was in there and he's rubbish, Bundesligue has got one team in it, Bayern, Dortmund have some decent players too but the rest is poor, so hardly a glowing review!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Team of the season doesn't mean a lot in my book, one season wonders like Vardy made it into the PL team (a much stronger league) and I wouldn't want him.
Never heard of this guy and not convinced he's the answer to our problems either, probably another one of those full backs who can attack (hopefully he can cross because usually Wenger picks attacking full backs that get one good cross every 100 times they try) but can't defend for toffee that Wenger likes, won't help our defence though.
Personally would have signed someone more established so we know what we're getting, not this guy, but that's just me.
:lol:
You really are the poster boy for cognitive dissonance and goalpost shifting (one leads to the other).
"He doesn't count, he was free!"
"But good players can move on a free"
"He's a nobody!"
*GP posts a link about him being in the Bundasliga team of the year*
"That doesn't mean a lot..."