Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So they only took £7.6 mill in shirt sales for one player this week? And it could get worse if more sales are made next week. Could be a double whammy if fans start getting excited about Pogba too. With all their deals and the huge amounts they are raking in across the board, these huge fees aren't a problem for them. But they didn't get there via a sugardaddy, they are heavily in debt and leveraged up to the eyeballs. Which makes no difference whatsoever in the crazy world of football. This sustainability bullshit we've conveniently (for some) subjected ourselves to is an entirely unnecessary handicap that hits the success of the club on so many levels. We may think we are doing well commercially, but we could be doing a lot better if we speculated to accumulate, if we created a bit of a buzz around the place.

Arsenal actually does sell quite a lot of shirts, apparently. 2 million compared to Utd's 3 million. That's 2 million suckers right there. Highest prices, fuck all back from the club and they are buying 2 million shirts. Stan and the gang must literally be crying with laughter. Maybe if Stan turns up on opening day and goes around pissing in the fans' faces we could see those sales go higher.

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Elsewhere you've said that the whole debt bubble will burst at some point, but here you're criticising us for having a sustainable model?
We are too frugal, we could spent more without putting ourselves in financial jeopardy, but in my view having a sustainable business model is absolutely the right thing to do, surely this whole spiral of debt and transfer fees can't last forever.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

In a way I'm glad the deal for Suarez never went through because he'd have been gone like shit off a shovel had Barca come knocking, which was highly likely. Then again, under Wenger's tutelage for a season you never know, maybe he wouldn't have scored a goal, maybe he'd have been injured all season.

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So you want us to sign players, but you think signing players will make no difference while Wenger is manager?
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Originally Posted by Özim

Gameiro is much better than Giroud, he's worth 28 million that's not a lot in todays market.

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And yet his goal scoring record is worse by pretty much every measure.
15,8,16 in the last 3 league seasons for Gameiro vs 16,14,16 for Giroud.
Giroud had played more games in that period but Giroud's goals/games ratio is still better, 0.45 vs 0.42 for Gameiro.
So 'much better'? How do you work that out?

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Originally Posted by Maestro

The internal solution


Giroud

Ozil Sanchez Carzola

Xhaka Ramsey

Monreal Boss Gabriel Bellerin

Cech


......assuming no signing of significance is made, I think that should be our starting line up. But as usual injuries, tactical and selection buffoonery mean it can't happen

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I'd go with that. But maybe Ox, Theo or Iwobi on the wing instead of Cazorla. We need a bit of pace.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I'd go with that. But maybe Ox, Theo or Iwobi on the wing instead of Cazorla. We need a bit of pace.

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This is one thing that does frustrate me about the way we play, in theory we've got loads of pace in the team but we're so ineffectual at breaking with pace. We move the ball forward at glacial speed and then wonder why we're struggling to break down the 10 men who have now had time to get behind the ball.

Robbie from AFTV said he spoke to Gazidis at the kit launch and Gazidis promised that hard work is being done behind the scenes, said Kroenke wants to win too, and that he's angry with the British press for misreporting how we're going after players.

Video : https://twitter.com/ArsenalFanTV/sta...75771552145408

Believe it when we see it :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Letters

Elsewhere you've said that the whole debt bubble will burst at some point, but here you're criticising us for having a sustainable model?
We are too frugal, we could spent more without putting ourselves in financial jeopardy, but in my view having a sustainable business model is absolutely the right thing to do, surely this whole spiral of debt and transfer fees can't last forever.

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I think I heard it said by Arseblog, or his mate on the podcast the other week that we have been conditioned to Wengers thinking when it comes to money, like we have some sort of vested interest in the money side of things. I think this is true for me. Im shocked at the money for transfers now. I really need to get into the thinking of `fcuk it, not my money, lets go big!`, and it really isnt my money. I dont contribute to arsenal at all, dont go to the games, dont by shirts or merch, wont pay for BT/Sky etc. If palace and West Ham are bidding £30+ million for players, we really need to be at the very least matching them.
We have masses of money, play in London, CL football, we really should be able to buy nearly anyone, although there are those top 10-15 players in the world that we couldnt get, but everyone else we could easily throw masses of cash at the club and player to get them here.

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Originally Posted by Letters

That is fair comment. There is a responsibility on all of us if we want to make this place better and yes, new posters would help although it's telling that on occasions when new people join they don't hang around long.

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This is a place for a few old diehards to sound off and it's a clique. Flyby fans aren't going to stick around one at a time. If you want to get more people in then you need to get a lot in one hit and a few will stick. Is that what you want to do? If you are thinking there's a cadre of pro-Wenger supporters out there who could even up the score here then maybe there is, for a few more weeks. After that though, once yer man has evaded another transfer window and set his monotonous bullshit in motion for another season (because he's the real bore btw, not the fans who complain about him or the fans that have devoted themselves to him) it's going to get toxic. If we're sitting here with new signings onboard and looking forward to the season then of course you have a very different atmosphere. But that's not the case. What we are doing is trying to find ways to discuss the same old stuff that has been happening at the club for half a decade or longer. That's a tough sell. I think if most of the current posters were to join today, they wouldn't stick around either. Not because it's GW but because there's nothing left to talk about with this club. I bet all forums are seeing a drop off and suffering from the repetitiveness of it all.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Elsewhere you've said that the whole debt bubble will burst at some point, but here you're criticising us for having a sustainable model?
We are too frugal, we could spent more without putting ourselves in financial jeopardy, but in my view having a sustainable business model is absolutely the right thing to do, surely this whole spiral of debt and transfer fees can't last forever.

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What do you think will happen to all of football if/ when that bubble bursts? It will all go down. You think our sponsors are going to say, wait, Arsenal has this sustainable model so let's keep pouring inflated sums into the club? It's the moneygoround that has attracted all the sharks, once that's gone then they'll be gone and all clubs will suffer the consequences. Our stupid sustainability bullshit will have counted for zero. All it will have done is hold us back. There are so many poor saps at this club, boasting about our balance sheet rather than our trophy cabinet.

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Originally Posted by Letters

So you want us to sign players, but you think signing players will make no difference while Wenger is manager?
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No. I'm saying Wenger's such a shit manager that maybe Suarez would have suffered a total loss of form under him or sustained a major injury. That way his rapid departure to Barca might not have been inevitable. But of course you have to refer to the whole paragraph to understand the context of what was a tongue in cheek sub comment. When you pull just the one sentence out so you can change the context and score Internet points then the actual point is lost.