Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Martial deal will eventually cost £58mill, supposedly.

We're watching the end of football here. It can't sustain this craziness. Sterling £50mill, a 19 year old kid at least £36mill. Both potentially decent players but when you consider these big fees used to be reserved for the likes of Zidane. What would the fee be in Messi was ever sold? Quarter of a billion? For one player? They were talking £150mill for Neymar if that had gone through. All the signs are of mega rich pigs having one last feast before they move on to the next harvest.

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With the American and Asian markets growing, then the money will continue to swill around for a while yet. Then add in the fact that the online market hasn't been touched at all. They'll scrap this 3pm ban sooner rather than later, so Sky/BT and the clubs can charge premium prices to watch online or TV. They can pitch in all kinds of club shop special offers and home delivery meal deals around that to make the payoff absolutely huge against very small overheads. And of course FFP has been neutered so the debts can rack up once more, so there isn't really a need to stop adding zeros to transfers every season when it isn't real money paying it back off anyway.

Dont think United come under the doping scenario really. They earn all their money over the years. So are able to splash a lot of earned cash.

All this is the champions league fault.Too much money and everyone wants to play in it so all the best players move to those teams. The only way other teams can compete is via mega rich benefactors.

The champions league should be champions only or even extend it to champions and cup winners. That would open up the cup to more teams. Even out prize money. Or even get prize in reverse order like nfl where worst team gets first choice. In football worst team could get most money to even up the league.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

Dont think United come under the doping scenario really. They earn all their money over the years. So are able to splash a lot of earned cash.

All this is the champions league fault.Too much money and everyone wants to play in it so all the best players move to those teams. The only way other teams can compete is via mega rich benefactors.

The champions league should be champions only or even extend it to champions and cup winners. That would open up the cup to more teams. Even out prize money. Or even get prize in reverse order like nfl where worst team gets first choice. In football worst team could get most money to even up the league.

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All Man Utds spending is borrowed money. When you're already a billion in debt, what's another 200m amongst friends?

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Originally Posted by Kano

With the American and Asian markets growing, then the money will continue to swill around for a while yet. Then add in the fact that the online market hasn't been touched at all. They'll scrap this 3pm ban sooner rather than later, so Sky/BT and the clubs can charge premium prices to watch online or TV. They can pitch in all kinds of club shop special offers and home delivery meal deals around that to make the payoff absolutely huge against very small overheads. And of course FFP has been neutered so the debts can rack up once more, so there isn't really a need to stop adding zeros to transfers every season when it isn't real money paying it back off anyway.

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Their model of excess by it's very nature can't go on for ever, same deal with the global debt pyramid and they are linked - mathematically it must collapse and the bigger it inflates the more catastrophic the collapse. It's not just that, kids can't even kick a ball on the streets any more. You have fucking signs up everywhere, no ball games. Football is dying from the roots through to the highest branches. Football was a community thing, now it is a commercial thing. It's price has rocketed, it's value and values are gone. I just hope the people remember that well fed pigs are good for butchering.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

Dont think United come under the doping scenario really. They earn all their money over the years. So are able to splash a lot of earned cash.

All this is the champions league fault.Too much money and everyone wants to play in it so all the best players move to those teams. The only way other teams can compete is via mega rich benefactors.

The champions league should be champions only or even extend it to champions and cup winners. That would open up the cup to more teams. Even out prize money. Or even get prize in reverse order like nfl where worst team gets first choice. In football worst team could get most money to even up the league.

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A big chunk of the money they earn gets ploughed back into paying off the Glazier's dodgy debts. The chavs grow their own, Utd bums dope on the never never.

The money thrown around in football is disgusting but we all participate. It wouldn't be possible without the fans watching and happy to pay.

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Originally Posted by Syn

If there was a top striker available I'm guessing Man Utd would've put in a £94m bid in by now. They only had Rooney as a striker and have only ended up getting this 19 year old kid with very few career goals to his name.

If there's no-one on Sanchez's level that is gettable then I dont mind the club not buying a striker. Just have to hope that Sanchez be a top class striker in a CF role, and Walcott, Giroud and Welbeck can chip in. But not getting a defensive midfielder looks a bad decision. Surely there were a few of them on the move. Even Wanyama is available now. Coquelin needs help in the middle.

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A world class striker is not suddenly gonna present himself in 6 months, especially since a big signing to the club means hanging around Barca/Real waiting for their rejects and castoffs.

We gotta do what United have and what a young Wenger would have and take a risk. Overpay for an up-and-comer who is about to explode.

£24m, Berahino. Job done.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

The money thrown around in football is disgusting but we all participate. It wouldn't be possible without the fans watching and happy to pay.

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There is participation - which is what we do and have always done as people seeking an escape from the bullshit of weekly life and then there is manipulation, which is what the powers that be have sculpted into an art over ther past thirty years or so, starting with the Thatcher/Reagan axis. We all participate in the monstrosity of modern capitalism too because you have no other choice. Which is exactly what they've done to our sport. Left between a choice of trying to find enjoying in the essence of what that sport still gives you whilst trying to swallow the endless stream of bitter pills that increase year on year.

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Originally Posted by Kano

There is participation - which is what we do and have always done as people seeking an escape from the bullshit of weekly life and then there is manipulation, which is what the powers that be have sculpted into an art over ther past thirty years or so, starting with the Thatcher/Reagan axis. We all participate in the monstrosity of modern capitalism too because you have no other choice. Which is exactly what they've done to our sport. Left between a choice of trying to find enjoying in the essence of what that sport still gives you whilst trying to swallow the endless stream of bitter pills that increase year on year.

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I get what your saying but it's just football. You can switch it off if it's that unbearable. It's not like the gas and electricity companies taking the absolute piss or TFL and the rail companies.

I'm not that bothered by what other clubs spend. That's not the insult to injury.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

In many ways you can understand Wenger not wanting to be part of this. In the end he's 100% correct about the transfer market and all the doping going on in the game (financial doping, not the Real Madrid chemical type). It would be glorious and a real achievement if we really could win a title without busting 9 figures in a buying spree but unfortunately that is what the game is these days. The pigs have total control and so the inflation is out of control, same MO as every other market they descend on to pick to the bone.

But say we do persist with a sane approach to expenditure, and people might point at Ozil and Alexis and try to pretend we're part of the big spender club now, but even it out over a decade and we've probably spent less than QPR. If we do persist then it makes it all the more urgent for Wenger to kick that stubbornness into touch and start getting the best out of the players we do have. No more of this shit forcing his favourites into the team, time to learn a bit about rotation, time to pay attention to form, time to approach each game as a different set of challenges. Enough with the ridiculous notion we can play some beautiful vision of football in the middle of what has become a sporting desert. Or go and let somebody else do it.

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Its not sane, its insane to keep £200m in the bank in a world where Juvenus made €100m for their CL run to the final, United sign a £700m Adidas deal, 4 teams are fighting for 5 CL spots and you have a flawed squad.

It is INSANE, in a world where 2 years ago you could get a Di Maria calibre player for £30m then a year later he costs £59m. That money in the bank is turning to shit because football inflation is at a rate of naughts. One year £32m gets you Sanchez, next year it cant get you Sterling. Beginning of the summer £32m gets Benteke, now it cant get you a French 19 year old. IT IS INSANE to keep money in the bank and not in player capital. Buy 30 and loan them out if you have to, but in the bank is insane.