Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

And that's the whole point. Football is NOT a typical industry at all and is not bound by the rules of regular business - at least not at the top level. It has a captive market therefore zero competition, club revenues are rising in line with a decline in the product, more and more losers are being compensated massively for their failures - just look at Villa last season. This is NOT a normal industry at all and a fool like Wenger and the cronies in the boardroom who benefit mightily by trying to con the fan base with their nonsense talk are going to find it harder to pull the wool.

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You're right in that we are a captive audience. In any other business people would have long since gone elsewhere, but we can't.
But there are increasing rumblings of discontent at the rising prices for an ever worse product. Surely at some point people will snap en masse and refuse to keep going.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Yes. Appalling. Unless you are genuinely going to point at the top 4 and call it a trophy. Or tell me that the FA Cup is a worthy return on the resources available to this man. Utd, City, Chelsea, Liverpool even, Leicester FFS - all of these clubs can point to a major trophy in their cabinet. What can Wenger point at, by comparison? Fuck all is the answer. Fuck all sounds pretty appalling to me, considering what he's had to work with and how much cash is shovelled into his own pocket. The huge problem here is Wenger and his cronies have brainwashed so many of the fans into thinking being an also-ran has merit. A decade in which to build a team that can compete for a title and avoid being crushed by the first decent opponent in the CL. What is his record? Good? Average? Poor?

It's appalling.

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And yet just 2 years ago in the wake of the first trophy in 10 years (one you now dismiss) and nothing else to show in those 10 years but perennial top 4 finishes you applauded the idea of Wenger signing a new contract for us. But now that record is 'appalling'. Hmm.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think we all know that Giroud isn't going to win us a league title. I'm just picking Zim up on yet more goalpost shifting. He's a big fan of stats when they backup something he says, he dismisses them when they show him to be wrong. This bloke isn't significantly better than Giroud, Giroud keeps him out of the French team and his scoring stats are better, Gameiro has only scored 20 league goals in a season once in his entire career, he's clearly not an upgrade on what we have.

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So cutting past all the Internet scoring, we accept that Giroud isn't good enough to win us a major trophy.

How long has he been leading the line for Arsenal now? Do you think Wenger believes Giroud is good enough? Because if he does then he's precisely the incompetent fool he's been called. But what if he doesn't believe Giroud is good enough. That would make him a negligent fraud, wouldn't it? A guy who claims to be a top manager and who pours his every minute into the club trying to win? That would be a lie, wouldn't it? So we have either an incompetent fool or a fraud and a liar. I actually think he's all of those things.

The question then. When is he going to fuck off so we can get a competent and competitive guy in to do the job properly?

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Originally Posted by Letters

And yet just 2 years ago in the wake of the first trophy in 10 years (one you now dismiss) and nothing else to show in those 10 years but perennial top 4 finishes you applauded the idea of Wenger signing a new contract for us. But now that record is 'appalling'. Hmm.

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On the basis the FA Cup was a prelude to a serious push for bigger honours. This is not difficult to understand at all, yet you struggle. Unless you are saying the FA Cup was somehow the pinnacle of our ambition? We won the cup and then we... did fuck all to push on. In fact Wenger busied himself further destroying our football so not only were we not competing but we were being bored to tears as a bonus.

Seriously though, how do you have a good word to say about this fraud after all this time?

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Originally Posted by Letters

You're right in that we are a captive audience. In any other business people would have long since gone elsewhere, but we can't.
But there are increasing rumblings of discontent at the rising prices for an ever worse product. Surely at some point people will snap en masse and refuse to keep going.

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I doubt it, because it's all drifting down the American razzmatazz route, being there for the spectacle (or to see us make a spectacle of ourselves more like) is what is is increasingly becoming all about. Big stadiums, pumping anthems, big screens, a flood of advertising, pundits crawling around the place like an army of ants, spinning graphics, bouncing logos, money, money, money.

But shit football.

And nobody seems to care. It's like one of those big venue bands that can't sing and can't play, but wow, the stage effects were that good they distracted you for long enough to forget how lousy the main event was.

The stadiums will stay full, or mostly full. There are more than enough fools out there with money to be easily parted from.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Didn't Giroud go 18 games without scoring a goal, or something like that? That's what kills you, the inconsistency. Better to have a striker that scores less but scores every other week than a part-timer like Giroud who score in one clump and then fucks off for the rest of the season.

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Precisely, awaful striker, let us down when we needed him the most last season when he went a ridiculous amount of games without a goal, what sums him up was that horrible miss in the Euros where he was clean through, had a player free in the centre but carried on like an oaf and fluffed the chance, he's 2nd rate and the fact we've had him as out main striker is further embarassing.

So yes I would try Gameiro over him because he's a different typ of player and probably doesn't score all his goals in 5 games out of 38.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You're making shit up as usual. I said we need to sign world class players to compensate for the failings of our manager. If we had enough players with the talent and character then maybe collectively they could beat the handicap that Wenger imposes on the club season after season. But Wenger is such a fraud even a team of Ozil's might not be enough. But that's not to say we shouldn't try. Of course the old git has that avenue covered too, with the chequebook secreted up his anus every transfer window and manure gushing out of his gob in 101 excuses. Keep apologising for him all day long. His record speaks more for him than you try to do.

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That's his trademark line, "shifting the goalposts" he uses it everytime he disagrees with someone, it's repetitive just like his idol Wenger.

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Originally Posted by Letters

And yet just 2 years ago in the wake of the first trophy in 10 years (one you now dismiss) and nothing else to show in those 10 years but perennial top 4 finishes you applauded the idea of Wenger signing a new contract for us. But now that record is 'appalling'. Hmm.

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His record is awful, he's a proven loser, 10+ years shows this, no heart for the fight, no guts and he's built a team who play anti-football, absolutely no entertainment and yet the guy has the cheek to claim entertaining football is important. He's a walking contradiction and a clueless one at that.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

It's also that not finishing lower than fourth whilst massively overstated as an achievement is a consistency that no other club has achieved, and would be beyond the level of a shit manager.

He's not a top manager because he doesn't have the ability to achieve big trophies, but difference between not being a top manager and being shit.

And the problem is there are people on here (and I don't mean you) who seem to think any manager would be better than Wenger.

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There's a reason for this, all other clubs have had to change manager and it takes a certain amount of time to adapt, moreover their aim is to win the title which invariably means taking more risk with signings etc not getting a top 4 slot which no big club would realistically care about long term, big clubs want to win, we're only interested in top 4, a big club with a small club mentality.

I'd prefer to come lower down in a couple seasons and then perhaps winning a major trophy then coming 4th and making up the numbers in the CL a competition which as well as containing winners, contains club like Arsenal who are only just interested in the money and not the of satisfaction success.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think we all know that Giroud isn't going to win us a league title. I'm just picking Zim up on yet more goalpost shifting. He's a big fan of stats when they backup something he says, he dismisses them when they show him to be wrong. This bloke isn't significantly better than Giroud, Giroud keeps him out of the French team and his scoring stats are better, Gameiro has only scored 20 league goals in a season once in his entire career, he's clearly not an upgrade on what we have.

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I'm not a big fan of the stats at all (again more BS from you), I prefer to use stats with real life examples of how those stats are made up, stats alone are not a great gauge, but what we know about Giroud is his stats are misleading as he goes for long periods without scoring goals and scores a few in nothing games, a hopeless striker we don't need, would rather have someone who scores in 20 different games, rather than a guy like Giroud who scores 20 in 7 games.