Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Letters

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More fuel on the fire, from a person who wants to see a balanced debate (whatever that is supposed to be given the current huge imbalances at the club).

Whatever people might say about Zim, he's not arrogant. In fact he's the opposite. He has strong opinions but he doesn't get all shitty and pissy about it like most of us do when those opinions are challenged. So that little smilie, what's it designed to achieve? What's your purpose? I've mentioned this before. People go to the trouble of explaining themselves when you demand it. You respond with a, some might say arrogant, one liner or a smilie or a carefully cropped quote.

Some are asking that every thread should not descend into an Wenger debate. That would be a fair request if Wenger hadn't literally inserted himself into every function of this club. How do you argue anything about Arsenal without Wenger's name coming up? It's impossible because he has made it that way. Transfers, youth policy, match day, substitutions, the finances, I bet he even got his crayons out and designed the fucking kit! And we'll see this demonstrated when the Olympics start up. Wenger won't get a mention in those threads - well maybe the odd joke here and there if an athlete collapses just before the finish line. Wenger is everywhere because, Wenger is everywhere. The debate is a reflection of the reality at our club. But okay, fans desperate to see the back of him could tone it down. Keep their desperation in check a little more. But give it up if you think we can talk Arsenal without Wenger being mentioned 99% of the time. Arsenal IS Wenger and vice versa. A very sad reality.

And maybe the "reasonable" posters with their little smilies and sarcastic one-liners could tone it down a little too? Particularly you.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

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But at least we know now it's your comprehension skills that are causing this disconnect. What do you think the 'great for the board' and 'meh for the fans' part of that message is blatantly hinting at?

You do this all the time. You can't find any way to legitimately defend Wenger, because there isn't one, so you trawl back through posts, misinterpret what you find and then try to counter you misinterpretation. Therefore, whatever whoever said in criticism of Wenger is wrong. And now we have a manufactured win for Wenger by implication.

You did the same thing with the 10 points behind by August thing for a large part of the previous season. Bang, bang, bang on that one. Until we eventually did finish 10 points behind... drum roll... Leicester City. Then you went very silent on the matter.

You then top this behaviour off by confusing somebody else into agreeing with you, possibly somebody who hasn't read back on prior exchanges and therefore has to take things at face value. Then you seize on that comment and agree wholeheartedly and the cycle of deception is complete.

Finally, as a cherry for your cake, you nobly call for "balance" in the discussions.

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So, to summarise, you start with the old classic "call the other poster stupid" gambit.
Then change the subject and rather than responding to what I've written just go on a long ramble about the way I post in general. Throw in a few lies - the 10 points thing you know exactly what I picked you up on, it was never about where we ended up - and you're done.
Nicely side-stepped though. Shame you don't like politicians, you'd make quite a good one.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Well here's a thing. We SHOULD have a top manager at this club. So what's Wenger doing here, if even his most ardent admirers won't say he's a top manager? He should be gone TODAY if he's not a top manager, shouldn't he? And by manager, just so certain people don't get confused, I mean somebody who also manages the football team.

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Have I said he has any business being here. I simply accept that there is clearly a limit to how much control I have over the situation.

And figuratively people blaming him for tripping up over a banana skin is as irksome as being called spoilt and petulant for suggesting we can and should be doing better.

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Originally Posted by Letters

So, to summarise, you start with the old classic "call the other poster stupid" gambit.
Then change the subject and rather than responding to what I've written just go on a long ramble about the way I post in general. Throw in a few lies - the 10 points thing you know exactly what I picked you up on, it was never about where we ended up - and you're done.
Nicely side-stepped though. Shame you don't like politicians, you'd make quite a good one.
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You were told before it would be the last time I'd go through an explanation of the simple concept you claimed you understood. I'm not calling you stupid. I'm highlighting your stupidity. That's different. If you need the answer to your regurgitation then look to the post before yours and there is your answer. As for methodologies, your little smilie presented as a piss take of Zim tells everyone what they need to know. I'm sure most knew it anyway.

Can I just clarify something, I don't want a balanced debate

When I point out that things seemed to have developed into polemic, it's not a plea it's an observation

When I point out that I can get insulted or patronised, it's not playing the metaphorical violin. On the contrary I enjoy it

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Same here. A month ago there was a mention of Lacazette and I thought, is that the best we can do? I hope not.

Now it's yes please, maybe he'll be good, maybe he'll do better here, maybe he's the new Henry in disguise. Just get him!

It's no way to carry on, is it? Everyone hoping for some last minute something, anything.

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To be completely fair I've probably only seem him in a 2 or 3 games so not enough to make a judgement. I have at least enough faith in the club to believe they have scouted him and they feel he will do well for us.

The crazy thing is we don't necessarily need a superstar striker like Suarez or Aguero. We need someone who will get in the box and who can finish. My memories (albeit hazy) from last season are that we created quite a lot of chances, we just couldn't finish them. If Lacazette can finish then he'll score loads of goals.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Have I said he has any business being here. I simply accept that there is clearly a limit to how much control I have over the situation.

And figuratively people blaming him for tripping up over a banana skin is as irksome as being called spoilt and petulant for suggesting we can and should be doing better.

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I think most fans rushed to defence over that stupid station incident, didn't they? In fact both incidents, the cowardly gits trying to physically intimidate him and the idiotic journos who thought an old bloke falling over was hilarious. I don't recall lines like that ever having been crossed on GW.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

And maybe the "reasonable" posters with their little smilies and sarcastic one-liners could tone it down a little too? Particularly you.

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OK, that is fair comment. I was going to reply to the rest but it only ends up with more boring argument.

I can tone it down if you do.

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Originally Posted by Letters

OK, that is fair comment. I was going to reply to the rest but it only ends up with more boring argument.

I can tone it down if you do.

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Deal

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I think most fans rushed to defence over that stupid station incident, didn't they? In fact both incidents, the cowardly gits trying to physically intimidate him and the idiotic journos who thought an old bloke falling over was hilarious. I don't recall lines like that ever having been crossed on GW.

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No but there's always a limit.

But the irritation I have at the lack of measured opinions is what keeps me coming here

A forum like this can only thrive on conflict, not on consensus

It's becoming slightly stale because there really isn't anything new to discuss, this has been a poor transfer window but a) almost all out transfer windows are poor and b) most of us agree that new players wouldn't necessarily breach the gap anyway.

So really it's just a re-tread of the old arguments, but that's ok.

I compare it to PMQs, people complain because it's adversarial cage match nature that is off putting. I submit that it's off putting because people aren't that interested in politics. And people who are love the petty insult throwing and the farmyard braying.

They just think because everything has to be about bettering ourselves we have to pretend we don't like it

Well I didn't come here to better myself.