Ferguson sent us Silvestre and in return we sent him our best striker.
Good deal.
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Ferguson sent us Silvestre and in return we sent him our best striker.
Good deal.
They haven't won a trophy with RVP tbf. And won't until May at best.
RVP. :haha:
And at very best they'll win the PL, CL, FA Cup and RvP will win the golden boot. The Carling Credit Card Dunkin Donuts Cup is beyond them this year, they are out, out, out!Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Exactly. I'd rather have Dunkin Donuts without question.
krispy kreme :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Cesc loves them.
And we're back on topic.
Fergie sends us a player who won a fuck load of trophies
We send them a player whos won one trophy and hes an injury prone **** as well
Wenger gets one over on Fergie yet again
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan...rs-to-sign-for
From Goal.com but worth a read. Interesting.
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Revealed: Van Persie told Wenger which players to sign for Arsenal in explosive meeting
The Dutchman challenged his boss to buy proven stars and urged him to appoint an external No2 during row which led to terminal breakdown in their relationship.
The beginning of the end of Robin van Persie’s Arsenal career came in a meeting at Arsene Wenger’s home in the exclusive Totteridge area of north London three days after the dramatic finish to the last Premier League season.
Van Persie was finally ready to talk about his future after delaying contract talks until the last ball had been kicked of a campaign which had finished with him carrying off a clean sweep of the player of the year awards.
Goal.com can reveal for the first time, 24 hours before the pair are due to meet again as Arsenal take on Manchester United at Old Trafford, the explosive details of the summit, which was to sour the relationship of Wenger and Van Persie beyond repair.
It set the wheels in motion for a £24 million (€30m) move to United that would be completed three months later, but only after Wenger went to extreme lengths to steer his star player into a cut-price move to the continent.
As revealed by Goal.com in May, the talks took place on Wednesday, 16 May, less than 72 hours after Arsenal had sealed third spot in the league - and with it a prized Champions League place for the following season - courtesy of a fortuitous 3-2 win at West Brom.
Van Persie and his agent Kees Vos, a long-time family friend, met face to face with Wenger and the Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis. The meeting took place at the manager’s home because he had just undergone eye surgery and was wearing an eye patch.
Discussions did not centre on what kind of contract Arsenal were willing to offer or, indeed, the type of deal that Van Persie wanted. Instead, the reigning PFA and FWA Player of the Year demanded to know the direction in which Arsenal were heading.
Wenger explained Lukas Podolski, a signing that had been announced in April, would provide greater penetration on the left flank and there were plans to add greater depth and quality to the squad.
Van Persie was not happy with what he heard. Emboldened by his remarkable performances in 2011-12, when his 37 goals inspired the team to heights that had seemed impossible following a disastrous start to the season, the Dutchman spoke his mind.
“There were very heated discussions,” a source with knowledge of the talks told Goal.com. “Van Persie told Wenger which players to sign and who he should appoint as his number two. He wanted an external coach from outside of the club to replace [the retired] Pat Rice and didn’t want Steve Bould to get promoted because he felt the current staff were all ‘yes’ men and too comfortable in the job.”
Arsenal were unwilling to comment when contacted by Goal.com but it is understood that Wenger was furious. He had once axed Thierry Henry from the team for declaring in his national newspaper column that the club should sign Shaun Wright-Phillips and did not take kindly to his judgement being questioned, however celebrated the player.
“Van Persie challenged Wenger and no-one really does that,” the source added. “It developed into quite a row.”
Subsequently, the relationship between the one of the most respected managers of his generation and one of Europe’s most feared forwards broke down.
Van Persie left for Euro 2012 with his future unresolved, while Wenger pushed ahead with plans to sign not one, but two stellar replacements.
The Arsenal board were keen to stick to their guns and refuse to grant Van Persie the simple exit out of the club that he wanted, while Wenger vowed to sell the player no matter what.
This view was strengthened when the Dutchman went public with his misgivings by releasing an incendiary statement on July 4 which effectively said he wanted to leave because he disagreed with Wenger and the board of directors "in many aspects… on the way Arsenal should move forward".
To Wenger, this amounted to treachery and, by twice crossing the line, he felt Van Persie had caused irreparable damage to their relationship.
The striker returned to pre-season training in mid-July but pulled out of Arsenal’s tour to try and force through a transfer. In the eyes of manager and player, it was not a matter of if but where.
The departure avenues had been narrowed down to the two Manchester clubs and Serie A champions Juventus. To Van Persie’s dismay, the two Spanish giants, Real Madrid and Barcelona, did not bite when the hook was dangled, while he refused Chelsea’s tentative interest because he did not want to move to another London club.
“There was one price for European clubs and another price for English clubs,” the source added. “Wenger cut the £25m (€31m) asking price by £10m (€12m) to sell him abroad but Van Persie didn’t want to go to Juventus.”
The 29-year-old risked tarnishing his legacy even further by taking the already well-trodden path from Arsenal to Manchester City, a route taken by Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy.
Wenger told a shareholder after the Arsenal AGM last week than City offered Van Persie an astonishing £300,000-a-week (€373,000). There was even a rumour that the Premier League champions were willing to pay for a helicopter to enable the Dutchman to commute from his Hertfordshire home to Manchester for training every day.
However, City were keen to end the overspending on transfers that accompanied their rapid rise from mid-table club to champions and refused to pay more than £15m (€19m) for Van Persie’s signature.
In any case, the Dutchman did not want to tarnish his Arsenal legacy even further by making what would have been viewed as the greediest move available, to City. The forward vowed to accept an offer on the table from Manchester United.
However, Van Persie’s stance changed slightly in the first few days of August as rumours spread around the London Colney headquarters that Santi Cazorla was on his way to the club, and could be followed by Nuri Sahin.
He had been going through the motions while he waited for a move to materialise but, suddenly, he appeared more motivated and interested. “His attitude and body language was different,” the source added. “He seemed to be saluting the signing of Cazorla.”
Van Persie flew out to Arsenal’s week-long training camp in Germany ahead of a friendly against Cologne but Wenger’s mind was made up.
A few days before the match, which took place on a Sunday night, the Frenchman gave the go-ahead for Gazidis and his opposite number at United, David Gill, to open talks on a deal that would take Van Persie to Old Trafford.
Twenty-four hours after Van Persie had been jeered by some Arsenal fans during a cameo appearance against Cologne, United and Arsenal agreed a £22m (€27m) transfer fee.
But, there was one final twist. Wenger, loathe to sell to a rival, said he wanted another £2m (€2.5m) from United, which frustrated the 19-times league champions and delayed the deal by another 24 hours. It would be late on Tuesday, 13 August before a £24m (€30m) fee was finally agreed between the two clubs, which was then announced to the media the following day.
Ever the gentleman, Wenger will no doubt shake the hand of Van Persie before proceedings gets underway at Old Trafford on Saturday afternoon as the Dutchman prepares to play against the team that he graced for eight seasons.
Hiding behind the mask of politeness will be the face of a manager let down by someone he had helped nurture into a superstar.
Rather convenient that this story should crop up the day before we play Utd and RVC.
What a load of shite.
It stinks more than a whores knickers.
Not really, this has just come out before the game from Wenger. The press are just doing a little digging.
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Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has revealed that Robin van Persie rejected a move to Manchester City in the summer.
Van Persie opted to join Manchester United instead and while Wenger does not want to go into those details he does hope the Dutchman gets a good reception when he faces his old club on Saturday.
"It is true Manchester City [were] interested in him and he has chosen to go to United," said Wenger.
"He could come out more on the reasons but I didn't want to know more about that.
"Does it hurt more than he left for another English club? That is not exactly what I wished!
"I hope the reception for him is a respectful one because he has played for us for eight years, he has done very well for us. You want him to be respected.
"We campaign against discrimination. It was still the case last week so why should it not be the case this week? I don't know, I think he will get the reception I hope for.
"Am I surprised he has done so well at Manchester United? No, not really. In Manchester you have good players around him, and Robin is very intelligent around the box.
"You would think that one of the parts of my job is to have a positive influence on people as a player. When you do that you are always satisfied. I think my influence was not too bad."
If he rejected City and the AGM said we sold for 'footballing reasons' then there could be some truth in this. Plus RVP said there was no talk of money in the meeting in his open letter. Add all this together, especially with Wenger saying RVP rejected City, you know for sure that PHW was out of line and stirring up shit when he tried to accuse RVP of being lured away by City's big wages.
The article sounds about right
Goes in with RVCs statement and what we all know about Wenger and Gazidis
None of them have come out of this looking good.
I just don't care anymore anyway. Means very little to me now.
He was an Arsenal player....but not in the Bergkamp sense of the word.
I just don't care.
More worrying, as you say, is the way the board and manager come out of this.
Wenget wearing an eye patch. That's all I took from that.
Indeed. It's hard to stop caring though when the **** is banging them in every other week. We just need to get tomorrow out the way and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Not surprised by the Board and Wenger. We've always known Wenger won't be dictated to.
Not surprised, I'd say most if not all of the players who recently left has have done so not because of financial incentives but because they didn't think we were ambitious enough.
To be honest though, if you're a manager and one of your players tells you what to do, that's bound to rub you up the wrong way. RVC is a billy big bollocks and I don't think Wenget can deal with those type of players.
All the more reason why we'll continue to hit the glass ceiling while he's in charge and why he prefers this sort of policy. Stubborn as a mule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
There isn't a manager in the world who'll sign players and staff just because some player tells them to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
If Rooney was here and did what he did and requested a transfer or Tevez situation happened here, Wenger would have got rid of both.
Their actual managers managed to keep both and both and both went on to play significant parts in title winning sides.
Wenger needs to try talking to players instead of insisting his way is right when so many players disagree with it and 7 years of shite back that up
Well its goal.com, so its bound to be BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Why should he, he is the manager end of the day, no player is bigger then the club or the manager. You can tell your manager who to sign. you do that shit at Old trafford you'll be out before the season ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Those players stayed cause they got more money, not because they told their managers who to sign and they did.
Not that i believe the article anyways.
And especially from a player who only had 1 full season in 8 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Remember where the article is from.
Goal.com :haha:
This is shocking. Yet again we see Wenger refusing to allow players to run the club. Does he learn his lesson from this RvC scandal? Not a bit, now he's dictating to Theo Walcott. I wish we had Ferguson or Mourinho here, they'd at least be reasonable in accepting the demands of their staff.
You seem to have this obsession with Goal.com :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Why not try reading the article and replying to what it says rather than focusing on where it came from cos it makes you look an idiot and trust me you dont need any help with that
There is nothing in that article that i would say is wrong considering what RVC said in his statement and we all know how Wenger is
This is the dilemma. Where is the change going to come from if nobody says anything? It's not for the player to dictate to the coach but we curse the direction the club is going in and the lack of ambition but how can things change?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No manager in the world would put up with such unbelievable shit like that. If that was true that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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Don't need to read an article from Goal.com cause most are BS anyways. However it was true then RVC was dumb to think he could tell a manager what to do.However the fact he still compliments Wenger does not seem to me like they were are on the odds, i doubt he would hold back now if it was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
As are most articles from any place but its gives us a talking point tbh
Without these articles, this place would be deader than your sex life
Name one manager with an ounce of self respect that would be dictated to in that way? If Van Persie tried that shit with Fergie, all that would be left of van Persie would be a nasty grease stain on the wall. And rightly soQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Here's the thing. Until Kroenke has banked his profit then nothing is going to change at this club. RvC must have known that too, even if his intentions were 100% in favour of the club then it would have been a spectacularly dumb move to imagine one player (no doubt viewed as a raw asset rather than a human being by vampires like Gazidis) could change the direction. This is like a secretary going up to the boss of Monsanto and saying let's stop poisoning the fuck out of people. And the boss says, you know you are right, fuck the billions of quid let's do it your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Kroenke hasn't put a penny into this club. The bastards that went before him (bar one guy who threw peanuts) put fuck all in either. Arsenal has been identified as a cash cow and is being milked. Wenger is the guy they have chosen to balance this primary objective with the ongoing pretence of being a corporation primarily concerned with football. And he does a great job of it. Only problem is, that's not what the fans want - but who are they? Just unwashed scum in the eyes of the board, listen to PHW if in any doubt.
If RvC loved the club and the fans as much as he claimed he could have taken a big pay hike and stuck it out. The fans would have much rather seen that happen than this alleged bust up where he effectively showed himself the door. Because the execs aren't going to have the curtain lifted on their game or see the emphasis shifted to the secondary agenda at the expense of the primary. No one man is bigger than the cash flow forecast. If RvC thought he was big enough to take them on he badly miscalculated who he was up against.
A Russian mobster will be next up. Good times, get with the program and don't for one second ever think your view counts for shit. Don't make the same mistake as RvC.
Or your penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
If you don't need to read it then you've said your piece and might as well move on because you're adding nothing else to discussion. Best thing to do is read it, weigh up what the two camps have said and then form your own opinion. No point in arguing or cosigning other posts when you haven't read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Read my response to NQ. It's a dilemma because Wenger and the board won't listen to anybody. Critics, former players, staff, the fans....Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Your post has nothing to do with it. No manager in football could or would put up with that from a player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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No manager anywhere would put up with it, that's what hierarchical bullshit is all about. I once called one of my managers a **** and even though I was 100% correct the **** still fired me.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I've read this artice, I said i don't be to read article to know, most are Bs on there, but i thought id read this one just to see what was said as it was being disscused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory