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05-09-2013, 12:45 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by Cripps

I was talking about the 08/09 season tbf with Adebayor as our striker

Really?

In which case you screwed up for an entirely different reason.
05-09-2013, 12:45 PM
Syn

Wenger probably had a little influence. But from what I've gathered from the 7 million recent articles on Ozil, he seems to be more interested in a) furthering his ability, and b) furthering his 'brand' and image.

Being the go-to guy for a CL club will probably help a). And his popularity has already gone up massively adding the worldwide support of Arsenal fans desperate for a big name signing. He was always a world class player but the newer guys Gotze, Draxler(?) are maybe the new talk of German players. A high profile and controversial (wrt the Real Madrid sale) move keeps him in the limelight. Don't think Wenger was absolutely crucial, but I'm guessing.
05-09-2013, 12:48 PM
Nayan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syn

The real nayan would never get involved in shitty reasoning like this. Mods should ban these fake TEG and Nayan weirdos.

Im just bored mate. And there arent any proper idiots to poke fun at.
05-09-2013, 12:54 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Nayan

Im just bored mate. And there arent any proper idiots to poke fun at.

you're really not looking hard enough.
05-09-2013, 01:04 PM
Niall_Quinn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syn

Wenger probably had a little influence. But from what I've gathered from the 7 million recent articles on Ozil, he seems to be more interested in a) furthering his ability, and b) furthering his 'brand' and image.

Being the go-to guy for a CL club will probably help a). And his popularity has already gone up massively adding the worldwide support of Arsenal fans desperate for a big name signing. He was always a world class player but the newer guys Gotze, Draxler(?) are maybe the new talk of German players. A high profile and controversial (wrt the Real Madrid sale) move keeps him in the limelight. Don't think Wenger was absolutely crucial, but I'm guessing.

He goes to Utd if that's his main aim surely? He'd be the go-to guy there too and he'd have RvP to replace Ronaldo. Coming to Arsenal represents a bigger challenge and bigger risk. He said he was pleased to hear our plans for the future, yes just as much chance of that being post transfer bullshit as truth, but let's not entirely discount the possibility he heard some shit to get him excited. Maybe we really have just emerged from an eight year long tunnel. Hope so anyway.
05-09-2013, 01:18 PM
Power n Glory

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syn

Wenger probably had a little influence. But from what I've gathered from the 7 million recent articles on Ozil, he seems to be more interested in a) furthering his ability, and b) furthering his 'brand' and image.

Being the go-to guy for a CL club will probably help a). And his popularity has already gone up massively adding the worldwide support of Arsenal fans desperate for a big name signing. He was always a world class player but the newer guys Gotze, Draxler(?) are maybe the new talk of German players. A high profile and controversial (wrt the Real Madrid sale) move keeps him in the limelight. Don't think Wenger was absolutely crucial, but I'm guessing.

I think the phone conversation had a lot to do with it to be honest. He was expected to stay with Madrid up until the last week. Credit where it’s due really. He could have had the Moyes effect. Utd are a massive club but nobody was interested in joining them. That says a lot and we really have to bring in a top name when Wenger is gone or he has to leave a really good team with title winning potential behind him if we go for an unknown.
05-09-2013, 01:19 PM
LDG

Soldado got owned by Kos.
05-09-2013, 01:22 PM
Nayan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I think the phone conversation had a lot to do with it to be honest. He was expected to stay with Madrid up until the last week. Credit where it’s due really. He could have had the Moyes effect. Utd are a massive club but nobody was interested in joining them. That says a lot and we really have to bring in a top name when Wenger is gone or he has to leave a really good team with title winning potential behind him if we go for an unknown.

putting moyes on the phone reminds me of utd sending Gary Neville to chat up aaron ramsey.
Rooney thinks he's a twat and RVP has had to make a point of daying how much he oves being Moyes boy.

If proper players dont want to play for him I think there has to be a chance he has lost the dressing room by the end of the season. I dont think its the most likely scenario, just that it could happen.
With hilarous consequences.
05-09-2013, 01:23 PM
LDG

We have only gone and fucking bought Mesut Özil!!
05-09-2013, 01:29 PM
Özim

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDG

Soldado got owned by Kos.

Remember when Robinho was in Eboue's pocket?

What did Eboue do with him in the end?
05-09-2013, 01:29 PM
Ollie the Optimist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I think the phone conversation had a lot to do with it to be honest. He was expected to stay with Madrid up until the last week. Credit where it’s due really. He could have had the Moyes effect. Utd are a massive club but nobody was interested in joining them. That says a lot and we really have to bring in a top name when Wenger is gone or he has to leave a really good team with title winning potential behind him if we go for an unknown.

A few days ago ozil said he was staying, one phone call with wenger changed that. This is one signing that you credit wenger with. He convinced the player, a genuine world class player to sign for us. Gazidas did his bit by getting the money side right. But this is wengers signing, and he deserves all the credit.

Remember how wenger said spending money on proven quality is not a problem for him? He's right. No haggling, no dithering. He wanted ozil and got it done.
05-09-2013, 01:31 PM
Özim

I remember when Wenger signed Bergkamp, this is a bit like that.
05-09-2013, 01:33 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by LDG

We have only gone and fucking bought Mesut Özil!!

"It's important to put the umlaut on the O because then you can see what Daniel Levy's face looked like when he heard about us signing him"
- Someone

:haha:
05-09-2013, 01:34 PM
GP

:lol: Wenger didn't sign Bergkamp.

He just advised David Dein to sign him.
05-09-2013, 01:34 PM
Ollie the Optimist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letters

"It's important to put the umlaut on the O because then you can see what Daniel Levy's face looked like when he heard about us signing him"
- Someone

:haha:

:haha:

Spurs :haha:
Madrid :haha:
Levy :haha:
05-09-2013, 01:35 PM
LDG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga

Remember when Robinho was in Eboue's pocket?

What did Eboue do with him in the end?

Probably played a practical joke on him or something. I have no idea.

Robinho :lol:

I remember him.
05-09-2013, 01:36 PM
LDG

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

:haha:

Spurs :haha:
Madrid :haha:
Levy :haha:

MÖyes :haha:

RÖnaldÖ :haha:
05-09-2013, 01:40 PM
Syn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

He goes to Utd if that's his main aim surely? He'd be the go-to guy there too and he'd have RvP to replace Ronaldo. Coming to Arsenal represents a bigger challenge and bigger risk. He said he was pleased to hear our plans for the future, yes just as much chance of that being post transfer bullshit as truth, but let's not entirely discount the possibility he heard some shit to get him excited. Maybe we really have just emerged from an eight year long tunnel. Hope so anyway.

Word on the street is Man Utd didn't offer enough because they couldn't afford him. His options were us or PSG.

Maybe he lapped up a good sales pitch. Maybe he didn't. But my thinking is that this wouldn't have generated as much of a fuss if any other club had bought him, and I doubt he or his agent didn't know that.

But regardless of how it has happened convincing the first top player was always going to be the most difficult. Consistent £40m net expenditure a year will see us competing in a couple of years max, unless our new manager's moyes or someone shit.
05-09-2013, 01:49 PM
Nayan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga

I remember when Wenger signed Bergkamp, this is a bit like that.

Do you actually have proof of wenger's involvement there, beyond dein supposedly consulting him about it before he'd taken the Arsenal job I mean
05-09-2013, 02:03 PM
Xhaka Can’t

I read about it in a book on. Wenger about 9-10 years ago.
05-09-2013, 02:04 PM
Niall_Quinn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nayan

putting moyes on the phone reminds me of utd sending Gary Neville to chat up aaron ramsey.
Rooney thinks he's a twat and RVP has had to make a point of daying how much he oves being Moyes boy.

If proper players dont want to play for him I think there has to be a chance he has lost the dressing room by the end of the season. I dont think its the most likely scenario, just that it could happen.
With hilarous consequences.

Rooney should be fairly easy to handle under those circumstances :haha:
05-09-2013, 02:04 PM
Niall_Quinn

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDG

We have only gone and fucking bought Mesut Özil!!

Sauce?
05-09-2013, 02:13 PM
Injury Time

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDG

We have only gone and fucking bought Mesut Özil!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Saucy!##

Indeed.
05-09-2013, 03:18 PM
Özim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nayan

Do you actually have proof of wenger's involvement there, beyond dein supposedly consulting him about it before he'd taken the Arsenal job I mean

People have said on GW. Pretty conclusive I think you'll agree.
05-09-2013, 03:19 PM
Özim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve French

I read about it in a book on. Wenger about 9-10 years ago.

Yeah good book that, also great title "Don't Bullshit a Bulshitter"
05-09-2013, 03:20 PM
Penguin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syn

Wenger probably had a little influence. But from what I've gathered from the 7 million recent articles on Ozil, he seems to be more interested in a) furthering his ability, and b) furthering his 'brand' and image.

Being the go-to guy for a CL club will probably help a). And his popularity has already gone up massively adding the worldwide support of Arsenal fans desperate for a big name signing. He was always a world class player but the newer guys Gotze, Draxler(?) are maybe the new talk of German players. A high profile and controversial (wrt the Real Madrid sale) move keeps him in the limelight. Don't think Wenger was absolutely crucial, but I'm guessing.

He's a world class player in his prime. I doubt he would leave one of the giants of world football for a bit of limelight that wouldn't even last long. He's probably giving up the trophies and the glamour of Real and taking a big risk by coming here.

Ozil's actually already given the reason. He said in one of his first interviews after his transfer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skysports

In an interview with the German Football Association's official website, Ozil said: "At the weekend, I was certain that I would stay at Real Madrid.

"At the weekend, I was certain that I would stay at Real Madrid. But afterwards I realised that I did not have the faith from the coach or the bosses. I am a player who needs this faith and that is what I have felt from Arsenal, which is why I have joined."But afterwards I realised that I did not have the faith from the coach or the bosses. I am a player who needs this faith and that is what I have felt from Arsenal, which is why I have joined".

He has lost the "faith" from his coach/bosses. Which probably means that he was told he wont be first choice anymore now that they have the little spanish poster boy Isco. They might have even hinted that he should go somewhere else to play more regularly, seeing as they needed to recoup some of the transfer funds from the Bale deal.

The reason our transfer was on the last day was because Spurs were delaying the Bale transfer for so long and Real couldn't afford to let one of their best players and fan favourite go before they were 100% sure they were signing Bale. There would have been a lot more teams in for Ozil if he was available at the start of the window.

As you said, Man Utd weren't in with a chance because they only offered £35m~. PSG probably made a better offer than us but Ozil wanted to play in the premier league rather than the second rate french league. Also credit where it's due to Wenger for phoning up personally and talking to him in german and sweet talking him with his vision for him.

Wenger :bow:

Real Marketing :lol::penguin:
05-09-2013, 03:20 PM
Özim

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDG

Probably played a practical joke on him or something. I have no idea.

Robinho :lol:

I remember him.

Yeah he was the new Ronaldo. Then they found Neymar

Robinho :lol:

Awful Ronaldo.
05-09-2013, 03:22 PM
Özim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin

He's a world class player in his prime. I doubt he would leave one of the giants of world football for a bit of limelight that wouldn't even last long. He's probably giving up the trophies and the glamour of Real and taking a big risk by coming here.

Ozil's actually already given the reason. He said in one of his first interviews after his transfer:

He has lost the "faith" from his coach/bosses. Which probably means that he was told he wont be first choice anymore now that they have the little spanish poster boy Isco. They might have even hinted that he should go somewhere else to play more regularly, seeing as they needed to recoup some of the transfer funds from the Bale deal.

The reason our transfer was on the last day was because Spurs were delaying the Bale transfer for so long and Real couldn't afford to let one of their best players and fan favourite go before they were 100% sure they were signing Bale. There would have been a lot more teams in for Ozil if he was available at the start of the window.

As you said, Man Utd weren't in with a chance because they only offered £35m~. PSG probably made a better offer than us but Ozil wanted to play in the premier league rather than the second rate french league. Also credit where it's due to Wenger for phoning up personally and talking to him in german and sweet talking him with his vision for him.

Wenger :bow:

Real Marketing :lol::penguin:

A certain artist said it best when he said "Cos you gotta have faith, you gotta have faith, cos you gotta have faith afaith afaith you gotta have faith afaith afaitha!"
05-09-2013, 03:29 PM
Niall_Quinn

Factor is that worm Levy's activity and I'm sure there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than we'll ever know, until Wenger writes a book about it.

Whatever the truth, Wenger, Gazidis, Law and Kroenke all got together and did whatever it was they did to bring Ozil to Arsenal. No matter how hard I look at it I can't find a single negative aspect to this reality. On the last day they stole ever last clap of thunder from all around Europe and released it over the Emirates and put Arsenal bang on the map again. The overwhelming bitterness of our rivals is almost as loud as the thunder.
05-09-2013, 03:29 PM
Niall_Quinn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga

A certain artist said it best when he said "Cos you gotta have faith, you gotta have faith, cos you gotta have faith afaith afaith you gotta have faith afaith afaitha!"

Bit gay.
05-09-2013, 03:40 PM
Özim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Bit gay.

That's what she said.
05-09-2013, 03:40 PM
GP

Moyes also called Ozil personally and give him a passionate speech...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4
05-09-2013, 05:20 PM
Xhaka Can’t

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga

Yeah good book that, also great title "Don't Bullshit a Bulshitter"

Nope, it was a book written about Wenger at the height of his popularity prior to the invincible season. it was in a chapter relating to his relationship with DD before he became manager.

edit: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wenger-Makin...=arsene+wenger
05-09-2013, 06:32 PM
BOBN

Graham Hunter and a few journos on the Spanish side of things are adamant that Ozil was stalling Arsenal and desperately waiting for United to gazump us.

Who else is starting to dislike this guy already?
05-09-2013, 06:34 PM
Cripps_orig

http://www.sportskeeda.com/2013/09/0...graham-hunter/

:popcorn:
05-09-2013, 06:35 PM
JonasTC

Who cares.

He's an Arsenal player now and after his first game at the emirates listening to fans chants his name, he'll be loving it here.
05-09-2013, 06:38 PM
Cripps_orig

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonasTC

Who cares.

He's an Arsenal player now and after his first game at the emirates listening to fans chants his name, he'll be loving it here.

Pretty much.

Football is littered with transfers of players who wanted to go elsewhere but the call never came.

I'm sure if someone asked Craig Mackail-Smith if he'd like to join man utd, he'd love to but the call never comes so he joined Brighton.
05-09-2013, 06:41 PM
Xhaka Can’t

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOBN

Graham Hunter and a few journos on the Spanish side of things are adamant that Ozil was stalling Arsenal and desperately waiting for United to gazump us.

Who else is starting to dislike this guy already?

I have never heard of Graham Hunter, but yeah, I hate him already.
05-09-2013, 06:45 PM
GP

Hunter is talking shit.

Khedira said Ozil told he he was joining us last week.
05-09-2013, 07:03 PM
Edinburgh Gooner

I'm only on page 66 (catching up) and hope this hasn't been posted. There is another one that I saw earlier but can't find it just now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-a1cbha0U8

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