If only someone had said that the board were a huge problem and that removing our manager wouldn't solve that or necessarily make things better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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If only someone had said that the board were a huge problem and that removing our manager wouldn't solve that or necessarily make things better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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The manager had to be removed, issue is we needed to replace him with someone decent, sadly something we're incapable of. Still I guess some people will convince themselves Arteta might make us world beaters again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
He did need to be removed but our board are a fundamental problem which is a limiting factor.
But the right manager could still achieve something, it's laughable they're looking at Arteta although it can't be worse than Freddie.
Everything is all lined up to ensure it gets progressively worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You couldn’t have designed a system of making things worse for Arsenal any better if you were a Spurs supporter.
If we’re going to for a inexperienced manager might as well go for Vieira, he has Arsenal blood (I know people go on about how he courted Madrid as a player) though his agent had a lot to do with it , he also won titles when he was here, and he should have his own backup team and I cannot see City letting Arteta bring people with him.
100% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
In the state we're in there is definitely no justification for making this kind of choice.
Truly pathetic.
maybe that's the idea... save the cost of hiring a new team.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
I agree - if we are going for inexperienced manager then Vieira as he has a least managed a club or two.
But we should go for Rafa. someone to organise the team over the next 18 months. We need a more defence minded coach. When we brought in Wenger - he had a solid back four to rely on, so he was able to develop the team to his strengths and that was attacking play.
Now our attack is expensive... so we should try to focus on the defence.
Looks like Arteta is going to be the man..
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...anchester-city
This actually be a smart hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Arteta actually knows this club and all the real problems that comes with this club. He knows most of these players, particularly our young players.
And more importantly he knows English Football. I'm all for him.
Yep! Why not? Everyone has to start somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
We went for "tried and tested" in Emery and he was dog shit.
At least give him a chance.
does he?Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
it's been a while since he's been here and i'm not sure how much he had to do with the academy?
The prodigal son is coming home. :bow:
And his first match in charge could be Everton on Saturday would be fun (I hope) :)
Emery wasn't tried and test, he'd managed yes, but if you analysed his career properly he wasn't a great manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
I'd be very very disappointed if he was appointed and frankly I'm amazed at how easily some Arsenal fans are pleased, maybe this is part of the problem over the years, the club can do whatever and the fans are happy. Merson and Campbell both don't think he's the right man and they're not the only ones, he's never managed and if anyone thinks Arsenal have done their homework and know something other clubs don't, then they don't know Arsenal.
He's cheap, won't demand a big transfer budget and being his 1st job will accept what he gets, another yes man no doubt as the club were clearly too scared to employ a top manager who would have certain demands
Against Ancelotti by the looks of it. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
Arteta would be quite an intriguing appointment but I suppose we’ll just have to take the stories about him potentially being great on good faith.
Think the job is too big for him personally but hope to be proven wrong.
Well he's agreed in principle to become Everton manager... (propably hoping someone else wants him before signing).Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
They use to say that about Steve Mclaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The only people who think Arteta will be good are Wenger, who let's face it is clueless and Guardiola who is his pal, what else can he say, not he'll be rubbish.
Merson and Kevin Campbell both think he's the wrong appointment on Sky and they're not the only ones.
There is no other big club in the world that would make this kind of appointment, never mind if they were in the state we're in, but history tells us that the people in charge really don't know what they're doing and haven't for a very long time, it's not like we have guys with a proven track record, we've got a record of failure.
Got to love it, Everton get Ancelotti a proven manager who's won leagues and the champions league, Arsenal get a guy who has never managed, is it any wonder this is becoming a joke of a club?Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
That's going to go well...Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
As ancelotti is off bounds now. Bring in rafa.
Novice managers dont generally succeed at the biggest clubs.
As you can see think lampard is unravelling a bit at chelsea. Its the experience of changing things when behind. They have lost at home to west ham and bournemouth.
Just cant see how arteta will turn things around.
Damn it - wanted Everton to hire Emery so we could call them Eberton. What a waste...
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Originally Posted by Bumble
Lampard had at least proved hmself at Derby as well.
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Originally Posted by I am invisible
Very good.
Why not? Because he has no real experience of management at this level!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
Yes, people have to start somewhere but no-one starts out in business as the chairman of ICI. People work their way up and learn.
I mean, if he comes in then of course I'll support him and hope he does well but a club of Arsenal's stature - and for all the self loathing going on right now, we're still a very big club - should be getting a top class manager. Fine, Emery didn't work out but that that doesn't mean the principle of getting a top level manager is wrong.
What is a top class manager though. No reason why someone like wilder at sheff utd or dyche couldnt improve us. We need someone with a plan. Someone organised. Someone who adds a structure to the team. I have no problem with getting a lesser known manager but someone who has experience. Give them a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Wenger was not a top class manager but we were still a big club back then.
Agree with most of that. All I will say though is while Wenger wasn't known well in England we got him at a time when most people didn't know much about what was going on in football outside England.
He had impressed Dein and others with what he'd done elsewhere. He had a fairly impressive record.
When Wenger got the job, times were different, yes we were a big club but in those days management was rather different, there weren't many foreign managers, Rioch when we took him on was very good, he'd done a great job at Bolton in his previous job, but there were not so many elite managers, Cruyff maybe and a few others but those guys went to Italy to manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Times are different now, big clubs generally look to appoint big managers on the whole, they certainly don't employ people with no experience, Arteta just shouldn't even be an option for us, purely on the basis he has never managed, Chelsea appointed Lampard but he'd managed and done well at Derby and was a Chelsea legend, they've also had all kinds of managers, some of the biggest around who have brought success and they will happily change manager as and when it's needed.
Arsenal on the other hand don't like to change managers, getting rid of Wenger and Emery was drawn out, it's very different. We really need the right person to get us back up the table, we don't want to waste another 2 years and see our stock fall further, make no mistake the longer we miss out on CL money the harder it will be to ever get back there, we'll also struggle to get the quality of player we need to get back up there. Arteta is a huge risk in that respect, we really need CL football for financial reasons so that we can sign better players and afford more wages, once there we can then progress further.
Frankly I wouldnt want Ancelotti here. Dont think he'd turn anything around at the club. He would have been a good choice in 2011 or 2012.. now we are a mid-table team with no identity. I am not sold on Arteta but I'd rather him or an up and coming manager like Nagelsman or Ten Hag..Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I wouldn't take Arteta under any circumstances, Nagelsman, Ten Hag, yes but they have managed and proved themselves to an extent, Arteta is a nobody, I'd choose Ancelotti over him for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Napoli beat Liverpool under him, no mean feat given how there season is going.
So we're in talks with City about Arteta apparently. What a joke this club is. :haha: :ilt:
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Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Ljungberg knows the club better than Arteta, he knows the players better, especially our young players who he's actually managed and brought through. He knows English football too.
None of that helped him did it?
Honestly, it's so ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Whatever you think of Wenger, he took us right to the top of the English game and while he didn't keep us there we only dropped out of the top 4 in his last couple of seasons and last year we were pretty close to top 4, we got to a European final. We are still a big club. It's completely ridiculous that we are scrabbling around trying to "lure" an ex player who wasn't with us that long and has no management experience as our manager.
What a farce.
That is right. It is ridiculously we are trying to bring a total novice to the 3rd biggest club in the country. There is no evidence that he will succeed and if he does it will be down to luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Just madness plus what coaching staff will come along as we dont have enough of them either.
Some paper talk that the players preferred Ancelotti.
Yes you would think they would prefer someone they can immediately respect. Arteta will issue instructions and senior players will be like......"Are you sure?.... Ok. If you say so"Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Im resigned to it at this point but it seems like another dumb decision from a group of people with a long track record of making them.
The respect thing is a huge concern - it's fine if you're Eddie Howe and have a group of young players and you all learn together at a lower league side, but not at Arsenal where many of the players. particularly after Emery, won't take long to spot a fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
we should have got Ancellotti - I'm wiling to bet Raul and co didn't fancy having someone who knew much mre than them about football at the club tbh, it would show them up too much...
Maybe we should hire Alex Ferguson to throw boots in their faces. It worked on winners. Maybe it could work on our losers too. Not sure who they think they are, or why they believe their opinion is somehow important or useful. Another thing that has to change at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Almost 2 years after there was a slim chance it MIGHT have worked, when the goodwill was still there and when it would have been possible to quickly get rid in event of disaster - it looks like Arteta will sign as new Arsenal manager today.
I already pity the guy, despite the Ł5mill a year he'll earn (plus compensation if/ when he's asked to leave early). Arteta has done everything right in order to lay the foundation for a successful managerial career in the game. Now he's likely thrown it all away.
I mean, good luck to the guy, I don't think this can be about the money, he must actually think he can do a job here. I'll support him as he tries. But it's getting harder to support these geniuses who are supposedly running the club. I also realised "son of Stan" was far too close to "son of Satan" for my liking.
If he ships out most of these losers then he’ll get my respect for sure. Start from scratch and see where that takes us.
For my own sanity, I’m just going to believe he’s this great mind thats set for big things in the game. Rather than a complete rookie who’s never managed a game in his life...