and we have that one man in the family, although it would be the height of his lunacy if he let him go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Carzola is one of only four world class players we currently have at the club
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and we have that one man in the family, although it would be the height of his lunacy if he let him go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Carzola is one of only four world class players we currently have at the club
Only four?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
How many clubs have more than that?
Wenger would :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Sell Wilshere.. Cazorla is untouchable!
sorry need to check myself, i am getting well greedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
In Carzola, Ozil, Sanchez and Kos, we have some real top top quality there and we should build and not start to destroy that core
I always think of World class players as players that could get into any other team in the World. World class is used way too often. These are very good players. Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira were world class players. I don't think these guys are that level.
From what I can see Ozil is the best footballer in the PL, some may argue but I think they are looking for things he doesn't do while ignoring the ridiculously brilliant things he does do. Kos is the best defender, there's a joke going around other clubs laughing at Arsenal fans for thinking that but they'd all take him in a heartbeat and be singing his name a day later. Alexis is the most influential player over 90 minutes, there's no debate about that surely? Cazorla is the best of the Spanish midgets (Silva, Mata), again you'll hear howls from opposition fans but Santi is the most naturally gifted technician in the league.
The question is, who from any other PL team would you bring in to replace one of these four?
Kompany or Terry for Kos? I don't think so.
Hazard for Ozil? Not in a million.
Silva for Santi. Maybe last year but not this season.
Anyone at all (take your pick) for Alexis? You can have Di Maria, Matic, Aguero, Sterling, Sturridge, Rooney, anyone at all. Would you do it?
I also think Ox already craps all over the "big" name stars at other clubs and if he can sort out his injury issues and get a run in the team he may turn out to be the best of the bunch. Closest I have seen to Ryan Giggs (admit it he was good) since... Ryan Giggs.
Wilshere could have been but lacks the temperament. He probably won't make it.
Ramsey could be but lacks the consistency. Some of his play last year was from a different planet.
Is this rose tinted? Think about it and you'll see it's not. Think about letting any of these players go in return for some big transfer target, Cavani (how did Falcao work out), Sterling (how did Di Maria work out), Hummels (how did Luiz work out), and so on. Who are you going to get that you would have confidence in to deliver what the guys we already have are delivering?
Here's one for you. Who would take Neymar over Giroud? Messi yes. But Neymar? Not a chance.
World class these days is just as much world class hype as anything else. Rooney? Kompany? Are you serious? These are fuck average players bigged up by the media.
We certainly have 4 or 5 PL super stars at Arsenal right now. Maybe they wouldn't get into an all-world 11, except for Ozil who would surely get into any team. But they'd compete okay for most non-circus acts out there. How about Kos getting into the Barca team. Considering they bought Tommy from us (and we escaped prosecution for that one some how) I suggest Kos would walk into their first team.
Santi would probably not start for a Barca or a Marketing, not because he's not a world class talent but because there are some seriously good players in that role.
Alexis they let go, but only because they were bringing in Suarez. People still go on about Alexis not cutting it at Barca. They ignore his record though. Fabulous, world class player without any doubt.
And Diaby. How can you say he is not world class at what he does. He'd walk into any team's medical centre, anywhere in the world and make anyone else already in there seem second rate.
Some good points but it's rose tinted as well. Some of the players on that list would flourish in our set up but would get lost over at certain clubs that have no business buying them. I'd take Cavani and Falcao over Giroud easily. They'd flourish in our team just like Giroud has and probably surpass him. Giroud would sufffer badly if he went to Manure or PSG with their style of play. That's football. Some of the bigger clubs are more concerned about marketing and shirt sells over football. No balance and they destabilise there own team with every big name attacking purchase because they have to shoehorn them into a side that's already attack heavy.
Great post NQ
Ozil is the best footballer in the PL!?!??! That has got to be awarded the most over the top post here in the last 5 years!! Despite how good of a form he has been since he got back from his injury, I'd take Hazard over him any day of the week.
Again, comparing Neymar to Giroud is not right.. Neymar plays all over the front line while Giroud plays upfront only. As a lone striker holding the line, Giroud is better than Neymar but as a versatile forward able to switch wings and beat a defender by trickery or pace, Neymar is better.
Silva and Santi are on par... if you take both their performances since coming to England, I think Silva just shades it over Santi.
I would take Kos over Terry and Kompany also. He is definitely one of the best CB's in the league right now. About Sanchez.. what can you say? He is a phenom.. he has everything in his locker to be up there amongst TH14 and DB10 as the best Arsenal players ever (if he stays with us long enough).
I do think we have a solid team with a couple of world class players (Sanchez and Kos) but some of the comments on that post are way over the top.