Mikel Arteta Thread

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

Love the the after thought way Diaby is mentioned there. . . .shamful the way illegitimate sprogs are treated on here :sulk:

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by Ach

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...gement-one-day

Might as well give him a go. Cant be any worse

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I reckon he'd be pretty good at it actually.

http://arseblog.com/2012/12/arsenal-...-sense-of-fun/

Apparently only 21.5% of Arteta's passes have been forward this season. This is one of the reasons we should bring Rosicky back in, to give us more drive and urgency in midfield.

they play different positions. the only way that stat makes any sense is in direct comparison to others that sit in front of their defence. he has not been good enough this season but it takes more than that stat to figure out the problem.

My problem is not his passing in particular but how he's easily marked out games now, he's not a natural in this position and it's starting to show. He needs time and space to pass but he's not nimble enough to think on his feet.

This is why it was suicide to let Song go and not buy a replacement, he was a key part of making the midfield work but also managed to do the dirty work as well.

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Originally Posted by Happy GHELmas

My problem is not his passing in particular but how he's easily marked out games now, he's not a natural in this position and it's starting to show. He needs time and space to pass but he's not nimble enough to think on his feet.

This is why it was suicide to let Song go and not buy a replacement, he was a key part of making the midfield work but also managed to do the dirty work as well.

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At our best (especially with Fabregas and Nasri) he would have flourished because there were always intelligent players on the same wavelength making themselves available for passes. He's not getting that right now, which is why we struggle to get any kind of possesion for long periods.

the midfield is broke, but not because of individual players. the ones we have are excellent, just not compatible.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

At our best (especially with Fabregas and Nasri) he would have flourished because there were always intelligent players on the same wavelength making themselves available for passes. He's not getting that right now, which is why we struggle to get any kind of possesion for long periods.

the midfield is broke, but not because of individual players. the ones we have are excellent, just not compatible.

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Yup.

The way we set up is to accomodate Diaby or Rosicky, both of whom are little bit broken.

Jack is not the ball carrier we need, though he'll try his best. He'll be the one who does Arteta's job eventually, dictating the play and doing the dirty work.

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Originally Posted by Happy GHELmas

My problem is not his passing in particular but how he's easily marked out games now, he's not a natural in this position and it's starting to show. He needs time and space to pass but he's not nimble enough to think on his feet.

This is why it was suicide to let Song go and not buy a replacement, he was a key part of making the midfield work but also managed to do the dirty work as well.

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Agree with that. Because he's easy to mark he's being forced to play the ball backwards. The stats and what we're seeing on the pitch relate. Unlike Song, Diaby,Cesc, Rosicky.. he's the type of player that needs a lot of space to play beause he can't play on the half turn when under pressure. If he's tightly marked he'll point away so someone doesn't pass to him or recieve the ball and then pass it back to the orginal passer, a backwards or sideways pass. He's part of the problem and Wenger needs to addres that. Teams are pressing the middle and wide players like Podoslki tend to drift in and not carry the ball down the wide channels even if free and that's where most of the space should be if we're being pressed down the centre. It's a real mess and we have no cohesion.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Agree with that. Because he's easy to mark he's being forced to play the ball backwards. The stats and what we're seeing on the pitch relate. Unlike Song, Diaby,Cesc, Rosicky.. he's the type of player that needs a lot of space to play beause he can't play on the half turn when under pressure. If he's tightly marked he'll point away so someone doesn't pass to him or recieve the ball and then pass it back to the orginal passer, a backwards or sideways pass. He's part of the problem and Wenger needs to addres that. Teams are pressing the middle and wide players like Podoslki tend to drift in and not carry the ball down the wide channels even if free and that's where most of the space should be if we're being pressed down the centre. It's a real mess and we have no cohesion.

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I get what you're saying, but Diaby, Cesc and Rosicky never played the role that Arteta is currently playing for us. Diaby was abismal as the player to sit back.

Song looked better, but why? For me it was because last year, Arteta and Song were interchangeable. When Song went forward, Arteta stayed back.

He may not be producing in an attacking sense, but he's the most diciplined we have there, and has saved our arses a few times this year, even if he has let some past him. Now that Song has pissed off, there is nobody who is interchangeable. He's all we have. And as Rosicky and Diaby have been out, Jack has had to slot in as the ball carrier.

The problem we have is the link player who carries the ball forward. Hopefully Rosicky can do it for a few games before falling over again, but that's where we need to invest money. Not replacing Arteta.

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Originally Posted by NoeLDG

I get what you're saying, but Diaby, Cesc and Rosicky never played the role that Arteta is currently playing for us. Diaby was abismal as the player to sit back.

Song looked better, but why? For me it was because last year, Arteta and Song were interchangeable. When Song went forward, Arteta stayed back.

He may not be producing in an attacking sense, but he's the most diciplined we have there, and has saved our arses a few times this year, even if he has let some past him. Now that Song has pissed off, there is nobody who is interchangeable. He's all we have. And as Rosicky and Diaby have been out, Jack has had to slot in as the ball carrier.

The problem we have is the link player who carries the ball forward. Hopefully Rosicky can do it for a few games before falling over again, but that's where we need to invest money. Not replacing Arteta.

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It's not so much the defence part and sitting back I'm referring to, just taking on the responsibility to take the ball from defence and play it forward like how Vieria used to do. Cesc was great at doing it when playing a 4-4-2 with Gilberto, Diaby and Rosicky play box to box and are more mobile but Diaby player a disciplined game against Liverpool and I've also seen him do that when paired with Song or Denilson in the past.

I don't think it's so much about the role but more about the player and Arteta just can't play on the half turn. Wilshere played the deep role once and he was great at taking on the responsibility and keeping the ball moving even when under pressure as seen when playing against Barca. Arteta just can't play that way.