Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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03-08-2016, 10:37 AM
bignev

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Originally Posted by Munchies

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That Bergkamp signing is equivalent to near £100m today on a transfer.

Wenger didn't sign Bergkamp which adds doubt to how much fact checking was done to produce that table.
03-08-2016, 10:46 AM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

That was always disputed, Dein i think hinted that Bergkamp was signed on Wenger's recommendation. Dein had wanted Wenger as manager after George Graham had left.
03-08-2016, 11:05 AM
Marc Overmars

City to sign Gabriel Jesus. Some Brazilian wonderkid apparently.
03-08-2016, 11:12 AM
selassie

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Originally Posted by Kano

Forcing to buy is different than the actual reasons behind his reluctance. There is a distinction between the two. The reason I gave the overpriced Sanchez deal was because he clearly wanted the player and was prepared to pay over the odds for him. Dein has pushed him to go to the market before because he knows Wenger would stick with the same squad he has utter faith in. Dein has also come out in the past to say that Wenger won't buy because he believes he can turn youngsters into world class players - we saw this for ourselves in the early days at the Emirates. So Dein's message hasn't been wholly consistent and I can't rely on that for a source.

The reason we didn't win back to back titles was because he didn't add to the team after winning it. As Fergie would always do. This was in a period when he was ahead of others, having a keener eye for the talent around the world, bargains were there to be had without paying stupid prices, well within our old Highbury budget. But what we all know with Wenger is that he hasn't changed, he remains stubborn to his old ways which is a massive problem and I think the key one being his belief in the squad at his disposal. Too much belief in them. He did it when we won titles and he's still doing it now. The problem I have with going with his refusal match current rates angle is it heavily led and informed by the press, which I am loathe to do. If they brought out something credible other than a a number of paragraphs written from the authors perspective and I'm happy to change my tune. They have their own clear agenda in creating those stories. Whereas listening to Wenger say the same thing for years, even when we were at our height under his guidance, creates a more believable story for me because it's based on hard evidence.

Hmmm....I'm not sure it is so different. He dithers because he's not sure that the purchase represents value for money in terms of upgrading existing team members, this is just my personal opinion of course.

Was Sanchez really a "paying over the odds" deal? We signed him off the back of him having a fairly decent season at Barca, he was only moved on because they had bought a new shiny toy and told him he wouldn't be first choice. Sanchez was always a good player, even at Barca.

I do agree with you in that Wenger has utter faith/belief in the squads he manages and he believes he can get a few more gears out of his young players, that's fair enough and I have nothing against him for thinking like that. What I have a problem with is when he perseveres with players for season upon season and as part of this process moves them all over the team. The evidence points to that it is stagnating their development, especially with a lot of the young brits.
03-08-2016, 11:25 AM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

I wouldn't be so absolute about it.

It's public knowledge that Wenger has rated him for a long time and when he does rate a player he usually is prepared to pay the going rate for him (see Xhaka, Ozil, Alexis etc). It's only when he has doubts about a players quality (Lacazette for example) is when he becomes reticent to part money and then stalls & delays, probably in the hope that something better appears.

Clearly it's unlikely, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we agreed a 35 - 40 million deal with Wolfburg with Wenger then giving up on the striker hunt again and persisting another year with Giroud and Theo as our two main options.

Well, that's just it. We had a chance to sign Draxler before his move to Wolfsburg and there were murmurs of us signing him the season we signed Sanchez. Or what it Ozil? Nah, I don't see it happening now if he didn't sign him up before.
03-08-2016, 11:34 AM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Well, that's just it. We had a chance to sign Draxler before his move to Wolfsburg and there were murmurs of us signing him the season we signed Sanchez. Or what it Ozil? Nah, I don't see it happening now if he didn't sign him up before.

Linked with him both the summer transfer window of 2013 and winter transfer window of 2014

I more expect him to go to Juventus, but i wouldn't be massively surprised if we ended up signing him

He's got potential, but again i am worried about what happens when he decides to retire early from the game to take up ballet dancing.
03-08-2016, 11:42 AM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Linked with him both the summer transfer window of 2013 and winter transfer window of 2014

I more expect him to go to Juventus, but i wouldn't be massively surprised if we ended up signing him

He's got potential, but again i am worried about what happens when he decides to retire early from the game to take up ballet dancing.

Yep. Reports were saying we didn't want to pay £30m back then. What's his fee now? That's probably €30m.
03-08-2016, 02:42 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

City to sign Gabriel Jesus. Some Brazilian wonderkid apparently.

Yeah he's supposed to be very good.
03-08-2016, 03:56 PM
Niall_Quinn

How many more days of this do we have to go through before the window shuts? Seems like it's better to just ignore football for that period of time and tune in after the window closes to pick up the discussion on the implications of going into another season without a decent striker. Wenger not going to part with "his" money, unless some bargain bucket deal falls out of the sky and hits him on the head.
03-08-2016, 04:00 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

How many more days of this do we have to go through before the window shuts? Seems like it's better to just ignore football for that period of time and tune in after the window closes to pick up the discussion on the implications of going into another season without a decent striker. Wenger not going to part with "his" money, unless some bargain bucket deal falls out of the sky and hits him on the head.

Another month to go.

We won't sign anyone until we've been given a good kicking by Liverpool and Leicester.

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