Is there another "top bracket" manager who has gone 7 seasons without a trophy?

None of us really know how much money Wenger has had to spend over the years. Season after season the board had said money is there but it is never really spent on decent top class players. This is my take on it. In the early years, Wenger did a brilliant job transforming unknown players into world beaters. He did it with Viera,Henry,Pires, Anelka, Lunjberg and probably others I forget.It went to his head. The media and even other managers praised him to the hilt. What an incredible manager for discovering talent they said. He believed the hype; he thought he was the best. He couldnt then go out and buy top stars as he would lose his reputation as the `discoverer' of new talent. Thats why he still harks on about bringing the youth through. Unfortunately he no longer has the skill to bring on unknown players and make them world beaters. He hasnt brought through anyone decent for years apart from Fabregas ( who was always going to be brilliant whoever he played for as he was stolen from Barca's academy)Wilshire(lets see how well he does after these injuries) and thats about it. Rather than change tack, Wenger lives in the past -he craves the attention and incredibly for someone so unsuccessful in recent years the press and other managers still talk about him as a top international manager

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

There aren't many top bracket managers that have had 7 years with one club yet alone gone 7 years without winning anything. Wenger has had a rare opportunity to build team after team and most managers just don't get that chance.

The argument about Wenger meeting the boards targets are just odd. Once read an interview from Wenger about developing young players. He said something along the line that he's fortunate to be in a business where every player wants to be a star and te players he works with should naturally strive to be better. He shouldn't have tell his young players to turn up on time for training or to stay out of trouble. I think he was referring to the Pennant and Quincy situation at the time. Apply the same logic to the situation between him and the board. Even if the Board are content with 4th place as a minimum, should he as a coach of a top club be satisfied with that? Where is his sporting ambition? 7 years without a trophy should be burning him on the inside and he should be banging on the Boards door to
demanding a change to their approach of their showing no ambition rather than the other way round.

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We make a profit in the transfer windows and the ex-shareholders took Stan for £500mill. Any other questions?

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

None of us really know how much money Wenger has had to spend over the years. Season after season the board had said money is there but it is never really spent on decent top class players. This is my take on it. In the early years, Wenger did a brilliant job transforming unknown players into world beaters. He did it with Viera,Henry,Pires, Anelka, Lunjberg and probably others I forget.It went to his head. The media and even other managers praised him to the hilt. What an incredible manager for discovering talent they said. He believed the hype; he thought he was the best. He couldnt then go out and buy top stars as he would lose his reputation as the `discoverer' of new talent. Thats why he still harks on about bringing the youth through. Unfortunately he no longer has the skill to bring on unknown players and make them world beaters. He hasnt brought through anyone decent for years apart from Fabregas ( who was always going to be brilliant whoever he played for as he was stolen from Barca's academy)Wilshire(lets see how well he does after these injuries) and thats about it. Rather than change tack, Wenger lives in the past -he craves the attention and incredibly for someone so unsuccessful in recent years the press and other managers still talk about him as a top international manager

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It might have gone to his head a bit. How much he has to spend isn't even an issue for me anymore. I'm questioning his judgement in players and tactics now. His persistence with Ramsey and Gervinho over Ox is baffling and the fact that he's unable to motivate players low on confidence is another worry.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Not so sure about that. Man Utd have a very weak squad but have still managed to win a title and go toe to toe with City.

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If you think Manure have 'a very weak squad' then you don't know much about football.

I can't think of any of our players who'd get into their team and that includes RVP.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

If you think Manure have 'a very weak squad' then you don't know much about football.

I can't think of any of our players who'd get into their team and that includes RVP.

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Yeah, you'd be nuts to put the best player in the League in your team.

That right there is where Wenger is going wrong.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

If you think Manure have 'a very weak squad' then you don't know much about football.

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Touche.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

If you think Manure have 'a very weak squad' then you don't know much about football.

I can't think of any of our players who'd get into their team and that includes RVP.

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:lol: That squad doesn't compare to City's or Chelsea's squad and your having a laugh if you don't think RVP would get into their squad.

This is the weakest Arsenal squad we've seen in years but it's not as if we haven't had better. Even with better players we've struggled to challenge for the title. Last season we lost the Carlong Cup final to Birmingham so even if we're up against teams with more money it's no excuse to go 7 years without winning a trophy.

Yeh that is a bit of a stupid comment about RVP. I can assure you he would be in their team most matches.I also think that a fully-fit Wilshire would get into their central midfield and Schezny is as good as De Gea if not better. I also think that a fit Sagna is better than Smalling at right back.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

If you think Manure have 'a very weak squad' then you don't know much about football.

I can't think of any of our players who'd get into their team and that includes RVP.

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Swap it around. If Wenger had that Man Utd side, does anyone think he'd be able to win the league? I don't think so.

Havent read the thread so dont know if its been said but Wenger isnt a top bracket manager and hasnt been for a long time