I refuse to submit to violent threats unless they are here and I have nowhere to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
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I refuse to submit to violent threats unless they are here and I have nowhere to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
We are where we are because of Wenger.
Comments during the season about considering it a success if we finish second only highlight a lack of ambition on his part which will filter through to the players like a disease.
You then have your captain who blatantly does not want to be at the club, desperate to leave which only makes the better players think that they should leave too.
The funniest thing about this whole situation is the Denilsons, Bendtners etc of this world, all the ego, no idea of how average they are...put themselves on the market and no one gives a shit...lol
I don't think we're in crisis but we have some pretty extreme personnel issues that need sorting out.
This summer proves beyond doubt that Arsene has lost the dressing room. When 3 of your more "important" first team players want out it means they don't believe in the Manager or the system. None of this player unrest appears to be about money, it's about ambition and sporting decisions.
Selassie,Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I might agree with your assessment regarding ambition and sporting decisions when discussing Fabregas but I am not certain when discussing Clichy and possibly Nasri.
it's definitely a crisis when you let yourself get gassed up by the media in all its forms. too much (mis)information out there means that people think they know what is going on when really we have no clue at all.
for all the criticism a lot of fans throw at the media, its hilarious how many dont realise how they held by the nuts by them.
I dont think the issue is the media, what is coming out of the club is that there is unrest, I dont think we can pull the "it's the media" card on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Cesc wants out, Clichy wants out (12 months left on contract), Nasri possibly looking at options (12 months left on contract), Arshavin, Theo and RvP with only 2 years left on their contracts - these are problems because if the former 3 leave, the latter 3 will not sign, due to the clubs lack of sporting ambition, when you add to the fact that nothing being said on the contrary regarding these issues are coming from the club then I think unfortunately, the only one gassed right now is you.
Stories can be made up, but the stories concerning our players are IMO scenarios based on logical assessments due to the problems at Arsenal right now. If these stories were about the other lot down the road, I'd be saying that team is in a mad crisis right now.
Many of you "it's the media" guys really need to take note. if Cesc, nasri and Clichy go, then RvP will leave without the club heavily investing in the squad, most likely followed by Walcott. We will see how this transfer window turns out, hopefully we keep Cesc and Nasri and still add to the squad with the quality it needs and release the dead wood everyone and their mum knows needs to be kicked out the club, but based on previous experience with Wenger and this board it's unlikely that this will happen, hence the "Arsenal in Crisis??" thread title. Now if you guys feel that the stories coming out by the media is nothing to worry about please let me know what you know so I can experience this level of confidence.....
Yes there's a lot of misinformation but then there's usually no smoke without fire and the fact Nasri has come out and said that he wants to 'win titles' and has not put pen to paper means that it's probably more than likely that he is off as he doesn't think he can win them with us. Am guessing Wenger and Nasri are both hoping for a Cesc u-turn but in all honesty I don't think it's going to happen. If you sell your star player without a ready-made replacement or a few replacements what msg does it send out ? I honestly Wenger is shitting himself right now. Clichy to Man City deal looks to have been sealed which I think is also ridiculous for 7million for a 25yr old who is probably top 10 LB in the world despite his blips. It's all going a bit pete-tong.
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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
The funny thing is, whenever a player is linked with a move away from the club in the press, it usually happens. When the Henry Barca link first started, we all thought it was BS, but as the season on, alarm bells started to ring when the stories kept on coming and Henry wasn't refuting any of it. Any statements he made were drenched in ambiguity.
Right now, the club is silent. Even Winterburn thinks it's a crisis and he's close to the people around the club. History is a great teacher and people should always pay attention to how we've acted in the past we've these situations. I'm far from confident. Certain players have said they are just like us fans and understand the frustration. That says a lot.
It's bad right now. My worry is that even if Wenger replaces the players that leave, what about the following year? We'll have RvP down to 12 months, aswell as Theo, if Wenger doesnt replace with the quality that leaves then we could have the same problems this time next year, only no CL football (lets not forget, that isnt even promised this season).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
I feel we'll struggle to get 4th this season. Chelsea will buy, but even without strengthening they'll get top 4 as a minimum. Man U have strengthened, City will strengthen, Liverpool have strengthened. At present we are weaker now then we were last season due to the rumours that have to be causing a lot of unrest at the moment.
I hope Wenger can show the ambition that some of the senior players at the club and the supporters clearly want to see, but I feel a lot of damage has been done.
Worth reading...
http://goonertalk.com/2011/06/29/int...gas-dein-more/