So me the guy who started the Wenger out thread is accepting the thing's he does OK then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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So me the guy who started the Wenger out thread is accepting the thing's he does OK then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
You've been very patronising throughout.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
What?Quote:
2. i dont take much notice that they are italian champions. their owner is nothing short of a well known crook so you cant justify them winning the italian league because its more than likely they paid off officials for it, like they have in the past.
By the same reasoning, you could say while there are fans like you calling Van Persie 'a fucking twat' because he missed a chance, things won't change. :shrug:Quote:
but i guess whilst there's fans like you supporting the team things wont change.
Look, if you don't feel proud of the team and just want your moan your arse off - go ahead, but don't criticise others for taking some positives out of wins against Tottenham, Liverpool and Milan. There's really no need to patronise others and saying they need to 'wake up' or think for themselves and shit like that.
Then what the fuck have we been debating about for the past hour?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
You my friend are a very confused guy
oh jog on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
when did i ever deny that?
i said RVP IS THE MAIN REASON WE HAVE 4TH.
MAIN.
i can counter your argument.
chesney can make all the world class saves he wants, but if we never score, then the saves mean fuck all.
learn to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
i never started ANY debate over the past 2 days.
all the debates were by others attacking my opinion, so dont sit there and tell me to stop criticising others when they predominantly started it, and have accentuated it.
this messageboard is for all opinions, and my opinion is last night is not good enough. end. of.
My argument had nout to do with you and you got involved for reasons unknown to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
My point was Yes we went out the CL to a poor Milan side, Yes it was Wenger fault for not beefing up the sqaud i get that and he is at fault for much of the other faulires this season.
But we did not go out because we bottled yesterday we went out cause we shite in leg 1.
No one gave us a chance 3 weeks ago heck even 7:45 pm tuesday no one gave us a chance, even at 3-0 we were 1 goal away from going out had they scored.
My point was the players could have gone into that game and not bothere and settled for a 1-0 but they never they dug deep, got lucky i must admit, but done us Proud.
Of course id me much happier had we gone through no doubt about it, but i can't fault their effort last night.
no you said we are fourth because of rvp suggesting that he is the only reason we are fourth. not hte main reason but the only reason. thats not true, how many goals would he have scored without song or theo assisting him. without arteta song wouldnt go forward as much because there would be no cover. without hte defence and chesney then we would be losing games because they would let in fuckloads. rvp is a big reason why we are fourth but football is a team game and without song, theo, kos, chesney and others rvp wouldnt be scoring as much and if we did, it wouldnt matter because we would conceding more.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
well not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
our team has been shite this season. how many cock ups have we had? how many times have our midfield looked diluted? how many times have we scored own goals?
so its a cop out to suggest our team has been really good this year and that the team has helped us achieve 4th.
any rational supporter, or anyone who has a brain, understands the reason we are 4th is because of rvp. there's no shame in admitting it.
he is the only reason.
without him we may be 6th, or 8th, or 12th, but he IS the reason we are 4th.
chesney can make all the saves he wants, if no-one scores for us, we dont win.
and without van persie, we wouldnt be scoring.
You have been a patronising little dick throughout this thread. It's all there. Anyone can go through it and read it. There was a debate/comments being made and you came in with your 'open your eyes' rubbish and laughing at other comments. You can make your views about how you think nothing is going to change etc. without being patronising. Everyone was playing nice before you came in with your garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
And now you've got a typo from someone as your signature.
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Originally Posted by Syn
just because i dont agree with you, you completely attack me now eh? resorting to insults and calling me a wanker.
grow up.
top poster you big man :bow: :doh:
Like you do with god knows how many posts of mine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
No one said we bottled it last night although after that 2nd half performance, i wouldnt be surprised if someone did. We bottled the first leg though and cos of the first leg, we are out of the CL so our reputation as bottlers remain despite last night.
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Grow up? I'm not the one who thinks it's hilarious to put a typo up as a signature.
In this tedious "who me? ...but I'm innocent" routine of yours, I'm trying to show you that you're the one who has been starting these silly e-attacks. Even if you're not directly calling people wankers, if you were less dismissive and patronising about other people's comments, you wouldn't be 'attacked' and there could probably be a decent discussion on how shit or great we are.
there's a fine line between patronising someone and calling someone a wanker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
you've shown yourself up to be a completely inconsiderate, malicious and pernicious poster.
now do me a favour and never reply to one of my posts again.
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
I dunno...I might reply to a couple more.
Of course, that could mean 4, 15 or 30. I'll let you know the exact amount.
As a fan you can only support whats put out there and tbh the past three seasons is it that pundits have written us off and we've still managed to claw our way into the top 4. As being a supporter goes that's not bad and players like Oxo cube give us a little hope. Obviously we all want to do better but we wont always get the cake, certainly not in this world where cake seems to just be bought.
What an awfully messed up thread. Of course, SWAYR is right. RVP is the main reason we're in with a shout. His is our captain, and one of the best players in the world. Wenger did well to sign him. And cesc and vieira and henry etc. the problem with this team, despite it's admirable qualities of character and charm, is that there is only one RVP. As there was only one cesc in recent times. To win and win well, we need to supliment wengers gems with proven quality, and that is the only reason we're not further up the table. Shame SWAYR couldn't bring herself to be more grown up about it. We may not have been "good enough" to go through v Milan, but any fan of this club should be proud of the team, regardless. They were fucking heros the other night. You could never say that of nasri, bender, ade and the other money grabbing ****s we've thankfully got rud of.
Good read.
Id go with that. . .I have gone on record as saying I thought that this years version even though technically inferior is mentally stronger and more balanced than recent squads. I stick by this assessment besides the fact that cracks have been there for all to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We are still a work in progress and we can see that. . .there is still a big difference in many senses between us and the top two, quality=points - for me the biggest balls up was the run we went on after the Villa game, we lost some serious ground there - if we can find condistency then even this so called shit squad can challenge , if we can add to the core of Sir Ches, Kos, Jack Oxo and RvP, then we could dare to dream again. . .
Only thing is. . .it wont be till next year. . .but we can still look forward to one thing and that is giving a bitch slap to the Scum as we over take their spend at all costs squad!
My issue with the team is that we're not competitive for trophies. So I find impressive runs like we're on now ultimatley frustrating because we don't turn it on when it matters, so to speak. I'm still very much open to the prospect of a change in manager because I feel as though Wenger has reached a ceiling with the team.
I can understand the frustration of SWAYR if you read between the WUMing and e-warrior crap, it does feel like we've been here before. Hell, we were all buzzing about Nasri and how good we looked this time last year. This club are absolute masters in flattering to deceive despite there always being some points for optimism.
If you want to look at this season in isolation however, we have done well to recover after the manager failed to prepare for the departues of Nasri and Fabregas, and as much as I don't like to say it, 4th place would probably be an achievement for a change because it's something we've worked towards and not just fallen back on.
I was one of the people saying that I think we have a good core, and I think we do, the names I mentioned have the makings of a good team.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Sure we have said the same in the past. . .and then too we did have good players. . .what we didnt do then and this year is give that core quality support. We definitely didn't
have a keeper we could trust in as much as we can Chesney.
A challenger needs that kind of squad. . .a bench we can believe in, not one that is there just to make up numbers but one that can enhance quality not diminish it.
Whoever is in charge come next season needs to address that, if yhat quality core that you laugh at some talking about is to flourish!
Its not about opening ones eyes because they are already. . .but thanks for the advise
'Fortunate' might be the word you are looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
I'm fairly sure that some of the resiliance of the team comes from purchases of people like Mersacker, Arteta and Benayoune (sp?) at the beginning of the season, along with the likes of Verm from before. But I am starting to think that RvP's captaincy is also a major factor in the teams performances. I think he is turning out to be a good leader that the players will respect and follow. Cesc was not like that - he was a great talent and I'm sure the players respected him for that and got on well as friends in a team, but it looks as if he did not have that 'leader' factor that RvP seems to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
And we get that FFS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I think what everyone is saying that a quality core by itself will not get us to where we want to be. . .this time or next time ie next season we need to bring in a better supporting cast for Jack Oxo RvP to play with, a bench that can contribute.
We all know we have let down by this side of things and if we can/dare to get it right, we could be up there.
Letters is not saying this season has been great but he has enjoyed moments of it. . .we have produced some great games bit equally we have been poor, we need to address the poor side, the inconsistent nature of our past seasons. . . .shit it is not wrong to think optimistically, and there is reason to be so when you hope that a certain core lead by RvP will be around next year.
What is it with some. . .that just want to hear. . .so sorry for having an opinion, of coutse you are right!
It makes no sense to saw we're a shit team and then, when someone points out we're 4th, say "that's only because of RvP."
RvP is PART OF OUR TEAM!
It would be legitimate (and probably accurate) to say we would be shit without him, but we're not without him so it's irrelevant.
It's like saying "Novak Djokovic is shit" and when someone points out he's actually quite good saying "yeah, but that's only because of his right leg".
Well, that is probably true and without it he wouldn't be as good but, again, irrelevant. A body is made up of parts which are all needed to make the whole. A team is made up of players. Some parts/players are more important than others but the team should be assessed as a whole and, as a whole, we're 4th right now.
Clearly we're too reliant on RvP and need some signings, I don't think anyone is denying this. No-one thinks everything is suddenly fine, people are just pleased that we've strung a few results together and are pleased at the fight we showed the other night when we could have laid down and given up.
SWAYR - I've removed your sig. Grow up.
Good post LettersQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Reading this thread from the top and SWAYR is starting to have a San Siro himself. . .
Point 2 - Do shut up!Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
I get your frustration but you quite clearly do not know what you are talking about. . .I think people think Milan are shit because they have a few golden oldies playing for them. . .I thought we would do Milan but not because I thought they were shit, the match in Italy did not leave me witth a lot if hope because we wete awful as many have said, but we gave it a good crack in the return leg and although disappointed I can still applaud the team and not crucify them for not being able to score a fourth
Wrong again Letters!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The fans were paid off by Berrascolli to show fake love!
How will the club always be in a complete mess with fans like Charlie or Wengers cousin. . .unless Charlie actually is Wenger or Wengers family is the board!Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
and since when has optimism been such a bad thing?
Just as a point of reference:
..............P.....GD.....Pts
05-06.....27.....17.....41
06-07.....27.....27.....52
07-08.....27.....36.....64
08-09.....27.....13.....46
09-10.....27.....42.....60
10-11.....27.....30.....56
11-12.....27.....17.....49
Subjective assessments are all very nice and meaningless, but in the final analysis it's results that count. And not in the cups either, those are unreliable indicators of quality. A pro-rata league comparison is about the best we can manage.
By those criteria this season is 2 worst and not far away from the 08-09 season.
(Note we went on to notch 26 pts of 33 during the remainder of that season so the flaw in comparing pro-rata is clear).
Even if we won every single game from now till the end of the season we'd still 'only' hit 82 points. 1 shy of 07-08.
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon is correct, RVP has contributed 34 of the 49 goals (including goals and assists) in the Premiership this season, close to 70%. No other club relies on ONE PLAYER to contribute so much in an attacking sense. This season has been pathetic, we're out of the Champions League in the 2nd round, out of the FA Cup in the 5th round, went out of the Carling Cup early and are scrapping to remain in the top 4 in a season when Chelsea and Liverpool have been dreadful. How can anyone say this season has been decent? Just because we've had a few good results shouldn't obfuscate the fact that we've regressed as a team again, and are no closer to winning a trophy than back in 2008-2009.
And it is entirely right to criticise RVP for messing up that chance against Milan. Arrogance cannot be justified when you're not winning comfortably.
@last partQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
What's up mate? Dummy fell out your mouth and discovered you could talk. . .tell you what, put it back in and we'll pretend you never said anything. . .there's a good lad
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
im sure Joker Splaffed his pants, when RVP missed so he could come on here and gloat about it.
Cut it out guys.
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Originally Posted by GB.
:hug: Sowry GB
Roger
(just gets on my tits........)
No he isn't. Nor are you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
I'm not sure if I'm suffering from a short-term memory loss, but I think having Rosicky in the centre of the midfield gives us that much more character than a midfield with Fabregas. Only thing is- he can't/won't head the ball. Neither could Fabregas saying that. But playing Rosicky in that position (something that GWers were crying our for in 2006) has been a revelation. Playing a tough midfield like Rosicky/Arteta/Song resembles Vieira/Edu/Parlour, in my opinion.
Wenger should have been playing Rosicky in the middle with Cesc ages ago. As soon as we signed him I thought we'd play a 4-3-3 but instead he was playing out on the left. It's a total waste of talent. When Wilshere is back fit, he should be playing with Rosicky and Song. For this formation to work, we need a try that are comfortable on the ball. It should be like the Barca trio, we can't have players like Ramsey or Arteta playing if they can't pass under pressure or turn their man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
The key playmakers should be in the centre and they're the ones that will draw players towards them and open up space for the wide players. One playmaker on his own can't control the middle. He can't work in isolation without support from the other two midfield players. Just a bloody shame we're going to lose Rosicky in the summer.
that is pound for pound one of the worst posts ive ever read in my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
you are a complete embarressment.
take a step back and read that through again, take your tinted glasses off. you are comparing a tennis player, who plays by HIMSELF, to a TEAM.
i know you're trying your hardest not to admit defeat because your heads far up your arse, but there's a line between sense and stupidity.
you've crossed it.
english isn't my first language but i try my best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney