Cesc

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Originally Posted by Syn

Fabregas:



Man up, bruv.

It's not unjust. Had you stuck your chances away in the first leg, you'd be in the final.

He's a muppet. He's made for the English league not the Spanish league. He's a power player not one of those tippy-tappy players. The style of football he's suited for is the type of stuff Chelsea play so don't know why he's so overdefensive about playing football 'the way it's meant to be played'.

He's like a bender in the closet acting homophobic so people think he's straight. Like Cripps.

You're a pub-teamer. There's no shame in it. If you want to be an elite footballer, you need to play in England. You're not good enough to be Spanish.


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Not really a suprise he say this, he has always been a knob tbh. he said the same shite when Ipswich beat us. The guy needs to learn how ti be a good loser not a bad one.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer...225601843.html

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i'm not sure you get this whole supporting a football club thing.

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What does this have to do with Arsenal and supporting our club? You don't have to answer, I just think it stem from bitterness.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

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Yeah Newcastle having one good season means they can overtake us, If your appying that logic then it goes for 14 other teams in the prem too.

All i know is the board will do things the same way they always have and until a new man comes in or Stan gains ful control not much will change. No of us no how much money there is to spend and none of us never will.

Like i said if Letters feels finsihing 3rd its his issue does not mean he not want the club to do better or the club should not do better.

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I guess I'll use this one too - :doh:

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Originally Posted by latewinner

I guess I'll use this one too - :doh:

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Well have newcastle not overtaken other team or is it just us. Were chavs nor 2nd last year and now their behind newcastle same for spuds/pool/everton/Villa/Stoke/Fulham and more all teams who finsshed abouve newcastle but are having worse seasons then too.

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Another wegner moan up... Ah GW, never change.


Between *tight hamstrings* and back passing the ball to Messi on the edge of our defence, I'm quite satisfied seeing yet another one of our supposed stars, bottling it just as we have for the last half decade.

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Pretty much. Had Ramsey done that he be crucifed but because it was Cesc he did nout wrong.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

What does this have to do with Arsenal and supporting our club? You don't have to answer, I just think it stem from bitterness.

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what does having a laugh at players that used to play for arsenal have to do with arsenal?

beyond me really

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

what does having a laugh at players that used to play for arsenal have to do with arsenal?

beyond me really

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I guessed it would be.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

what does having a laugh at players that used to play for arsenal have to do with arsenal?

beyond me really

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:lol:

Png :rose:

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

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Png :rose:

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I thought Fabregas was really poor in his final season and I lost a bit of respect for him the way he didn't seem bothered, but us laughing at him for failing with Barca this season (and the vitriol aimed towards Nasri) is OTT in my opinion, and I think is done simply to cover up our own deficiencies and avoid asking the question of why we've lost so many top players in the recent past (although I don't think either Nasri or Cesc are absolute top quality tbh) We have lost so many players because we lack ambition, and seem content with champions league qualification and treating the club as a business. Sure, people will counter that by saying Nasri moved for greed and Cesc wanted to return to his boyhood club, but money wasn't the only factor motivating Nasri and Cesc himself has admitted he became disillusioned at the club. This wouldn't happen at a club like Man Utd. PnG is correct to say it's just sour grapes and bitterness from some fans, especially those who think everything's rosy in the Arsenal garden

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Originally Posted by Joker

I thought Fabregas was really poor in his final season and I lost a bit of respect for him the way he didn't seem bothered, but us laughing at him for failing with Barca this season (and the vitriol aimed towards Nasri) is OTT in my opinion, and I think is done simply to cover up our own deficiencies and avoid asking the question of why we've lost so many top players in the recent past (although I don't think either Nasri or Cesc are absolute top quality tbh) We have lost so many players because we lack ambition, and seem content with champions league qualification and treating the club as a business. Sure, people will counter that by saying Nasri moved for greed and Cesc wanted to return to his boyhood club, but money wasn't the only factor motivating Nasri and Cesc himself has admitted he became disillusioned at the club. This wouldn't happen at a club like Man Utd. PnG is correct to say it's just sour grapes and bitterness from some fans, especially those who think everything's rosy in the Arsenal garden

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There you go your Opinion, i don't give 2 shits what he wins with Barca or not or the fact he is their player, i don't need to show him no respect any more as he plays his trade elsewhere. Id never boo him because of all he did for the club but like most i won't suck his dick either. Cesc is just another Arsenal player who has moved to fulfil his dream good luck to him. Of course i wish he had a more succeful time with us, nothing can be done about that now.

This thread started out a joke thread nout to serious till the moral high gang like yourselfs made it into something it did not need to be.

or simply it is just larfing for the lols and banter

I think we all know the score regarding his move.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

There you go your Opinion, i don't give 2 shits what he wins with Barca or not or the fact he is their player, i don't need to show him no respect any more as he plays his trade elsewhere. Id never boo him because of all he did for the club but like most i won't suck his dick either. Cesc is just another Arsenal player who has moved to fulfil his dream good luck to him. Of course i wish he had a more succeful time with us, nothing can be done about that now.

This thread started out a joke thread nout to serious till the moral high gang like yourselfs made it into something it did not need to be.

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I'm not saying anyone should "suck his dick", I'm indifferent towards him after he's left and his poor final season. However, the schadenfreude on display here and the outright hatred aimed at Nasri I think is partly because what he said about him being more likely to win trophies at City is correct, and we all know that.

Isn't schadenfreude just part and parcel of being a football fan though?

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Originally Posted by Joker

I'm not saying anyone should "suck his dick", I'm indifferent towards him after he's left and his poor final season. However, the schadenfreude on display here and the outright hatred aimed at Nasri I think is partly because what he said about him being more likely to win trophies at City is correct, and we all know that.

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No Its because hes a prat who Insuslted the Arsenal fans and sais they were the reason he was leaving, not problems at the club.

Maybe if he had shown more respect for the fans they would have for him.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Isn't schadenfreude just part and parcel of being a football fan though?

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Yeah you're right tbh, I just think some of it's gone over the top, especially with respect to Nasri. Cripps' abuse of Cesc is also unwarranted IMO.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Isn't schadenfreude just part and parcel of being a football fan though?

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of course it is. it usually helps if you actually attend a football match every now and then to understand exactly why you follow the game.

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Originally Posted by Joker

Yeah you're right tbh, I just think some of it's gone over the top, especially with respect to Nasri. Cripps' abuse of Cesc is also unwarranted IMO.

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I suppose. But then we are all faceless internet warriors, something tells me we wouldn't say half the shit we do to their faces.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I suppose. But then we are all faceless internet warriors, something tells me we wouldn't say half the shit we do to their faces.

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Defo not your face, tbf. :sick:

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Isn't schadenfreude just part and parcel of being a football fan though?

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Exactly. Especially with ****s like Nasri who really deserve to be spat on.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Defo not your face, tbf. :sick:

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Cunt.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Cunt.

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Great. Another thread that had turned into a tedious whinge at Arsenal fans. When certain posters get involved, you might as well stop reading the thread.

Nasri is a ****.

Cesc is insignifi****.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Thats the most retarded thing ever posted on GW since you were one of the people who thought we not even finish in the top 4 with the resources we had. way to move the goal posts to suit your argument eh.

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Charlie, sometimes I dont feel like responding to your rhetoric's but you are so adorable that I cant resist! :hug:

IMO, we have CL football and a manager who can spend decent money to get new players. We have a manager who has freedom to make changes not only in football matters, but also business matters at the club. Thats great resources for ANY football manager. No other manager has that kind of freedom other than may be SAF in England yet we are far behind. A few of the posters here are classing AW's achievement of being 3rd now based on the failures of Chelsea and Spurs. I am looking at where Utd and City are, and want to be where they are.. you can either look down and feel happy or look up and be inspired. Looks like your call is to look down and feel content! :good:

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Exactly. Especially with ****s like Nasri who really deserve to be spat on.

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He is literally a ****

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Exactly. Especially with ****s like Nasri who really deserve to be shat on.

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:gp: GP

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

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Charlie, sometimes I dont feel like responding to your rhetoric's but you are so adorable that I cant resist! :hug:

IMO, we have CL football and a manager who can spend decent money to get new players. We have a manager who has freedom to make changes not only in football matters, but also business matters at the club. Thats great resources for ANY football manager. No other manager has that kind of freedom other than may be SAF in England yet we are far behind. A few of the posters here are classing AW's achievement of being 3rd now based on the failures of Chelsea and Spurs. I am looking at where Utd and City are, and want to be where they are.. you can either look down and feel happy or look up and be inspired. Looks like your call is to look down and feel content! :good:

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Yes we have the resources but City and UTD have better Recources then us do they not. Of course AW should use the resourse he has to the maxium to help the team succeed.

Of course the club should aim higher even if the fans are happy with 3rd.

I was talking about this season not the last 7 so i apologise if i mistook what you said. But with sqaud we had this season id have to say 3rd would be good for us (this season).

If We spend big in the summer then no way would i accept 3rd as the maxuim we should achieve.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

A few of the posters here are classing AW's achievement of being 3rd now based on the failures of Chelsea and Spurs. I am looking at where Utd and City are, and want to be where they are.. you can either look down and feel happy or look up and be inspired. Looks like your call is to look down and feel content! :good:

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Well not really. I think it's valid to compare yourself to the best and aspire to be the best. We should be doing that. But we should also be realistic. You said above that we have the resources to be one of the top 3 in world football. How so? ManYoo, Chelsea and City can all massively out-spend us. One is a bigger club, the other two are bankrolled. And that's just in this country. The two Spanish teams have bigger resources too.

Sadly these days there is a correlation between money and success. I do think things were mis-managed last summer which left us struggling this year. Wenger is to blame in part (I don't believe entirely) for that but he deserves some credit for us being in 3rd rather than in mid-table right now as we all feared. I don't think we should be too disgraced about being below the sides above us for obvious reasons, I do think we should be closer to them though given our resources.

You forgot to say 'bumbling idiot' :good:

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Originally Posted by Letters

Well not really. I think it's valid to compare yourself to the best and aspire to be the best. We should be doing that.

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But we should also be realistic. You said above that we have the resources to be one of the top 3 in world football. How so? ManYoo, Chelsea and City can all massively out-spend us. One is a bigger club, the other two are bankrolled. And that's just in this country. The two Spanish teams have bigger resources too.

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Sadly these days there is a correlation between money and success. I do think things were mis-managed last summer which left us struggling this year. Wenger is to blame in part (I don't believe entirely) for that but he deserves some credit for us being in 3rd rather than in mid-table right now as we all feared. I don't think we should be too disgraced about being below the sides above us for obvious reasons, I do think we should be closer to them though given our resources.

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Pretty Much.

Until we taken over by some rich suga daddy we'd always be 3rd or 4th best in this league and have less advantage over the other 2 teams.

The Owners want quick success and will buy the best to get it which leaves the rest of us fighting over the bestof the rest.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Really? ManYoo, City, Chelsea, Barca and Real all have far bigger resources. That's just off the top of my head. We're always up there in the 'rich list' of clubs but that's misleading. City aren't up there at all on that list but you know as well as I that we can't compete with them in the transfer market. None of the above have new stadia to pay off and some of the above are bankrolled in ways we're not and I hope we never are.

We're 3rd. The only teams ahead of us are Utd who we pretty much all acknowledge (through gritted teeth) have the best manager around and City who have spent their way there. We've above all the other sides plenty of whom have spent a lot more than us in an attempt to dislodge us and failed repeatedly. If Wenger is incompetent then what does that say about their managers? Do you actually think it's easy to finish top 4 every single season for as long as Wenger has? Fergie is the only other manager who has done it in England. That tells you something.

I'm happy with being top 3 in England in the sense that it's a lot better than we've been for most of Arsenal's history. I was looking back, from the 50's to the 80's we won 7 trophies. 7. In 40 years. And some of those were a long way apart, we won nothing at all in the 60s, for example. Some people on here have the idea that Arsenal have always been a successful club and won lots of trophies, historically that isn't so. Where I'm less happy is that given that we are at that level we should be winning trophies and that is where we have failed. Wenger has failed. I've explained at length elsewhere why I'm a bit more optimistic about this current lot so we'll see. Let's face it Wenger is going nowhere so you might as well get behind him and he deserves respect for exactly the same reason you say Cesc does - he's giving his best for the club (even if you think that best isn't good enough) and if he is being too restrained in the transfer market I genuinely believe that is at least in part because he's looking longer term. Maybe in part it's because of his principles and doing things the 'right way' which I in some ways admire but also think he needs to be a little more pragmatic. I don't for one minute think he's doing it just to line his own pockets though.

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What is this resources that thing you talk about? Utd and Barca pretty much have the same resources as us! Utd have an owner who is openly raping them but they have a manager who stands up and says "I am a football manager and I am here to win football games". Barca is broke but they spend when they see quality! AW does not even spend the money we make off of transfers!

As for Utd having the best manager. Of course they do! What I fail to understand is how AW has fallen behind SAF. AW was just as good as him till 06. Not only is he coming 2nd best, he is consistently coming 4th best these days!! To me, its clear... SAF realized football has changed and he needs to adapt accordingly. Wenger has failed and not adapted.. he still has no Plan B in matches, still has no defensive stability. The only thing AW has got better at over the last 6 years is the ability to talk absolute gob about team spirit and mental strength.

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I don't for one minute think he's doing it just to line his own pockets though.

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I think he is busy lining his pockets and that is why I despise him as an Arsenal manager. Its very simple to me..

- Either the board is denying him funds and meddling with football matters and not letting him sign players. In this case he should resign just like how any other top football manager would. A winner like him should not work with so much constraints
- Or the board has given him decent funds and freedom over football matters. In this case, he should be hung to dry for the way he has dismantled the team and brought us to a level where we are 20 points behind Utd!

I am very confident that the later is true and for that, I do not want him as my manager nor do I think he is any good. Its the battered wife syndrome (said by a great poster on GW). He pushes us into a well (beginning of every season) and then picks us up and then he is the great manager who with his limited budget and constraints has got Arsenal to the top 4! Bollocks!

But just look at how Newcastle are pushing for a top 3 position, despite spending much less than teams like Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and ourselves. There are high quality players available on the market, Pardew has proven that which is why they're doing so well in the league. You'll say, but they're still not challenging against Citeh or United, but the gulf in terms of financial muscle between Newcastle and ourselves is surely comparable to the gulf between ourselves and Man Utd/City. And yet they're hot on our heels.

Moreover, even if we accept the argument that the league is unattainable, why have our performances in the cups been so poor? Teams like Everton, Spurs have reached the finals of major cup competitions, and yet we seem to disrespect them, because it's all about coming 4th.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

You forgot to say 'bumbling idiot' :good:

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:haha:

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Originally Posted by Letters

Well not really. I think it's valid to compare yourself to the best and aspire to be the best. We should be doing that. But we should also be realistic. You said above that we have the resources to be one of the top 3 in world football. How so? ManYoo, Chelsea and City can all massively out-spend us. One is a bigger club, the other two are bankrolled. And that's just in this country. The two Spanish teams have bigger resources too.

Sadly these days there is a correlation between money and success. I do think things were mis-managed last summer which left us struggling this year. Wenger is to blame in part (I don't believe entirely) for that but he deserves some credit for us being in 3rd rather than in mid-table right now as we all feared. I don't think we should be too disgraced about being below the sides above us for obvious reasons, I do think we should be closer to them though given our resources.

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Hmmm. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Cesc is insignifi****.

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i lolled

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Sepp :bow:

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

You forgot to say 'bumbling idiot' :good:

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:haha:

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Yes we have the resources but City and UTD have better Recources then us do they not. Of course AW should use the resourse he has to the maxium to help the team succeed.

Of course the club should aim higher even if the fans are happy with 3rd.

I was talking about this season not the last 7 so i apologise if i mistook what you said. But with sqaud we had this season id have to say 3rd would be good for us (this season).

If We spend big in the summer then no way would i accept 3rd as the maxuim we should achieve.

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Correction. Utd does not have great resources. Look at their net spend over the last 10 years or so and you will see they have barely spent a lot.

The part in bold... AW has got us into this position. He left the squad to the bare bones, then got us into 3rd place mostly because of RVP, Allah's blessings and the failure of Spurs and Chelsea YET we look at this season and say it was a good season. No, it wasnt a good season! We just had another season.. you could copy and paste any of the last 6 seasons and it would look eerily similar!

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Originally Posted by Joker

But just look at how Newcastle are pushing for a top 3 position, despite spending much less than teams like Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and ourselves. There are high quality players available on the market, Pardew has proven that which is why they're doing so well in the league. You'll say, but they're still not challenging against Citeh or United, but the gulf in terms of financial muscle between Newcastle and ourselves is surely comparable to the gulf between ourselves and Man Utd/City. And yet they're hot on our heels.

Moreover, even if we accept the argument that the league is unattainable, why have our performances in the cups been so poor? Teams like Everton, Spurs have reached the finals of major cup competitions, and yet we seem to disrespect them, because it's all about coming 4th.

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That is true and they are having a good seasons but when they do it for the next 5 then they will be taken seriously. Newcastle have overachieved and its worked for them.

I mean Ba a striker that any of the top 4 clubs want, but at the time none of them wanted him, and had we got him at that time, he'd have been called a pub teamer and a rubbish signing.

Cisse has been good for them but another 1 who has no been playng under pressure like most of their sqaud and add to the face the usual top 6 has not been the greatest this year.

Had Newcastle go one and won the league then you'd have a good point though.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Correction. Utd does not have great resources. Look at their net spend over the last 10 years or so and you will see they have barely spent a lot.

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they spent 130 million more than us in that time