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Not really, and creating has been our problem too, these past couple of seasons. Arteta didn't create anything last season, there was a reason why Song was attempting so many Hollywood passes last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
And we can't just count on Carzola to be the only creating from the Midfield, in this day and age of football, you can't afford to lose a CM, who can do both things, at a pretty good level.
Ive read on the last couple of pages that we should let Song go cos we have a replacement lined up.....really?
Have people learnt nothing last few years? Only replacement we have is some Pub Team kid who wont be ready. We sure as hell wont buy one
Song's replacement is going to be Sahin. Completely different types of players but it's gonna happen.
Wenger will not let Song go. He's got 2 or 3 years left...he'll tell the Barca dude to come back in for him next summer. Our team without Song looks physically very weak...he really adds a presence and opposition players Know when he's around...seriously...if we are going to win things this season then hold on to our players...including Van Persie...let him go to Man Utd on his own accord next summer. I wish for once we would stop getting screwed over by the cities of Barcelona and Manchester.
if the barca guy is in london then wenger is willing to let him go. this meeting would have been arranged otherwise he would not have travelled. He is gone as far as I am concerned
Yep, we're going to sell Song, a homegrown international, who played +40 games for us last season with 3 years left on his contract, for 16m euro's and replace him with 18 year old M'vila for 22m euros.
dunno if your being sarcy here cos of my post but surely theres not this much smoke without fire. i dont imagine officials travelling from another country to discuss a deal when they havent already been given the ok from the selling club to do so, is all i am saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
Officials traveling to which selling club, to discuss what deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by I_Killed_Kenny
If Song's off then it'll be for silly money not 16mill euros and the fact Barca couldn't get Martinez means they should be laughed out of town with Song. He ticks so many boxes that he's practically unreplacible.
would you mind telling us what those boxes are?Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
all reports say their officials flew in to speak to us yesterday. us as the selling club. not saying anything about price etc but if reports are to be believed about the officials travelling then we have surely given them a green light mateQuote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
i just hope we have invited barce over to talk under the impression they can get him cheaply, make them pay for flights etc then when they all sit down in a meeting, the arsenal guys just stand up, walk out and say fuck off
HomegrownQuote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
24 years old (not even in his prime)
Highly versitle (Can play CB, CM, CDM)
Strong
Can tackle and generally does the holding midfield role well
Creative, with 11 assists and a high number of key passes per game.
When you'd consider that we'd have to look at a homegrown player to replace Song, this whole thing becomes total nonesense.
All the reports are based on sport.es who says they spotted a barcalona vp in london - 2+2=5 and suddenly, after both the player and the manager both rubbish the story, we're already counting the penies and planning for life without a very important player who would be difficult to replace.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_Killed_Kenny
The other thing to consider is that Coq is a decent player (and I think ready to do a job), and a lad who has signed a new contract with the club.
With him, and perhaps Sahin coming in, I think it's enough to tempt us to flog Song.
This is also as much about getting players of the books as it it about balancing the side. If we are struggling to sell players, and keep having to fin suitors for loan deals for players like Bender and Denlison etc, then it makes sense to make aloan signing (sahin) ourselves, and get a permenant wage earner off the books.
Like I said, Wenger is playing a big game of swapsies, and so far, I think we're getting some stunning deals out of it.
In: Podolski / Cazorla / Giroud / Sahin + =35mil + loan wages
Out: RVP / Song / Vela / Denilson (so far) = 42mil - loan wages
No brainer for me considering RVP's age, Song's drug problem, Vela and Denislon being shit.
:gp: No sense in selling Song. Doesn't mean we won't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
homegrown - we have so many youngsters we can use them as the homegrown thingQuote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
age thing i cant argue with
jack of all trades master of none, he is very good im not doubting that but htink wenger could see it as time to get specialists in
strong yep
can tackle - the amount of fouls and bookings he gets suggests not
creative yep
however he is also prone to massive brain farts and puts the defence under pressue. good to keep him but also good to sell. really am not fussed if he stays or goes
Roy Keane was a shit tackler too. He gave away a lot of fouls and cards.
He was also a ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Pig
Tru dat. Wouldn't fancy dancing the ball around him though. He'd probably snap my leg and then years later boast about how he intended to do it in a poorly-written autobiography.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
true true, look im not fussed if we sell or keep him tbh, however if he really is going to start to flirt around then he can fuck off but not too sure if he is or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Pig
the post i quoted just said we cant sell song for those reasons, was just offering my version of how they could be disagreed with
It's amazing how much you lot are undervaluing Song in this market. :doh:
If he goes for anything less than £30 mill I would be extremely pissed.
It would be WUMgers finest move if he sold him.
Song is a must keep.
Well I'm fussed. Not because I have him on my shirt.
Because he was arguably our 2nd or 3rd most valuable player last season.
Yeah, it would've been nice for him to react as Arsenal fans would to linking rumours with a "I'd rather sandpaper my own scrotum than play in a team with Sergio Biscuits", but considering that everything footballers say is written by money-grubbing agents, it was a pretty positive "I'm happy here" statement. He's not a wantaway like Wan Pursie.
my point of him flirting around was more to do with the fact that he has reportably already agreed terms etc with barca.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Pig
he was very good last year as a creative force, however as a dm, he was prone to errors. he isnt a dm though so that could be the problem, all i am saying is if he goes, and we replace him with a specialist dm then im not too fussed.
Well from what I understand he's not asked for a move again its just the Spanish *cough* press stiring things up he's probably thinking if Arsenal want to sell him then so be itk, though I hope he doesn't think it could be bad for his career ask Hleb.
That's just paper fabrication. The Song would never do that to us...Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I can't believe he'd play for them after that Barca game where he picked up an early yellow and had to spend the rest of the fucking game watching as Biscuits jumped around in front of him like a retarded salmon. I mean, how can you respect co-workers like that?
Also, £15m for him would be an absolute insult. That age? That talent? 3yrs on his contract? £25m at the very least.
Wenger did say he must make a profit every year, so it wouldn't surprise me if we sold Song to make up for the spending we have done so far this summer. However, it would be a big disappointment, because although Song has flaws to his game, he created 14 goals for us last season, and when on form is a very good player indeed (which is why Barca want him).
We can't keep losing key first team players every summer, and replacing them with unproven youngsters. So far this summer we've done well by buying proven internationals like Podolski, Giroud and Cazorla. However, if we lose Song and then rely on Coquelin, that would be a huge step backwards.
This is most likely the work of Song's agent, trying to get him a new deal
He wasn't playing as a pure DM last season though. If anything Arteta was the deepest lying midfielder, so he has to take at least part of the blame for us being so easy to play against.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I read Song is reportedly only on 45k, which is relative peanuts really.
I'm sure he's just after an improved deal which to be fair, he deserves after several years of consistency now.
If he's only on 45K then he definitely deserves a renegotiated contract. However, our owners don't seem to treat our players particularly well, and when they wish to leave all the blame is directed towards players for their "greed", despite the fact that the most greed on display is from the likes of Kroenke, PHW etc.
It's not profit based on player sales. He meant as a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
And we've sold the QR site, so that covers most of our spending.
I think it's more a case, if we want to buy more players, we have to free up more cash....
There are things in life you should take with a pinch of salt...if Song had agreed terms with Barcelona then he is basically admitting that they tapped him up way before they made contact with Arsenal if indeed that have. It's shit journalism and wumming - all this is a bollocks story with presidents flying here there and everywhere ...going no where if you ask me. Song will be an Arsenal player for the next season at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Keep Song and Van Persie and we can probably still break even in wages and feesQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Bendtner 50K, Arshavin 100K, chamakh 80K, Park ?, Squillacci ?, GET RID!!!! It doesn't matter where.
according to james olley of the evening standard, the indication is song doesnt want to renew his contract anyway, so i can see now if that is true why we are thinking of selling
Song has 3 years left on his contract so why renew it now?
Pay riseQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Doesnt deserve one tbh
His job, his priority in the team is as a DM and hes a bit shit at it tbh
cant argue with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
although i guess it's whether you want to challenge for the title or not. i personally don't think song is good enough for a team aiming to win the league but he's a good player to get you into the top 3. that's why i wouldn't be bothered if we sold him i.e. i think we can improve on him. but then again we aren't aiming to win the league so your argument stays valid.