I think Podolski would have belted that in, or at the very least got it on target. Giroud, on his favoured foot skewed it wide. He needs to sort his life out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomfordPele
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I think Podolski would have belted that in, or at the very least got it on target. Giroud, on his favoured foot skewed it wide. He needs to sort his life out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomfordPele
Yep, should'veQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
i didnt think we were urgent enough. we slowed the tempo right down as if we expected to open them up without any effort. we needed to speed up the tempo and hit them with speed but everytime we got the ball we let them get 10 men behind it. they also won most the headers/aerial battles, i mean torres was winning everything. so i think the team could have given more.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Should've took it first timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I need to see it again but my first impression is that Mannone was rooted to the spot because Kos follwed the flight of the ball in and he probably expected him to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
It was an excellent ball into the corridor of uncertainty. Neither at fault. The defender has to get lucky for the touch to go wide instead. Look at Luiz's in the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
but a good keeper would cover it anyway. he should have moved just in case kos didnt deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Most of the time when we got the ball, we simply didn't have anywhere to go, cause Chelsea did a good job getting back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
Pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Keepers cant go for those balls unless they are mind readers and expect everyone to miss them.
Kos fucked up, Mannone didnt
Thats just it he is not, fine to play for hull but if we want to be winning stuff, like WW says with players like him we won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
i dont think you've ever played in goal because if you had you'd know its not as easy as that. you cant follow the ball because a slight touch off the defender can take it the other way. you've got to stay rooted for as long as possible until you're sure the ball will not deviate. unfortunately it's usually too late by then and it ends up in the back of the net, so you cant put any blame on the keeper. instead you need to look at the defending and analyse a) the positioning and b) why the ball wasnt stopped early.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
so a keeper should not move to where the ball will land in case his defender misses it but instead stay rooted to the spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I agree mannone should have covered it, but if you watch it again Gibbs was fouled by ivanovic as the ball came in. He would have been best placed to cut it out. Two very very poor goals to concede anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
mannone didnt even move, thats criminal. he should have saved it. simple as. the defending was awful, from giving away the free kick to actually defending the free kick. blame to everyone for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
Could've been even more of a calamity then as they may have collided. Anyway, the 2nd goal was poor to concede but those sort of freekicks can always be dangerous if the whip is good. Mata has brilliant tekkers for set pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
The first goal was weak as fuck though and should've been dealt with.
did you read my post? it explains why he couldnt move.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
And had Kos diverted the ball and it went in where Mannone was, you'd be the first to moan that Mannone should have stayed where he wasQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Remember who youre replying toQuote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
no i would have slated kos for it. then this brings in communication doesnt it. kos was unchallenged, why did mannone not make a call?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
:haha:
OK guys lets calm down, were all upset and feelings are getting in the way.
:hug:
He started it tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
And i as usual will finish it by making a mockery out of him
We've seen goals like the 2nd one many times in the past, it's easy to blame the keeper but they can't really do much about them. I remember Zola scoring a somewhat similar goal against us 10 years ago.
Have you ever played Roberto Baggio's Magical Kicks? It was like that. If the keeper moves to 'cover' the ball, he looks like an utter retard when it goes in the other corner. There is nothing Mannone can do with a ball going like that. Why do you think those are constantly described as a nightmare for defenders. You get lucky with the touch or you don't and we didn't.
Blame Mannone for that tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Your both pissed and upset and its just emotion spilling out. You seem like a nice dude tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
If Mannone tells the defender not to touch it, what happens when the Chelsea player gets a clear header on goal?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
chaz :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
always speaking sense :bow:
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Yeah, there's no need to overthink it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Of course people get precious about it though because it involved a GW +1 player.
Pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
Kos should have either not gone for it or cleared it. Mannone couldnt go for it until it went past Kos. Anyone can see that.
I dont blame Kos for going for it. I do blame him for making a mess of it
Dont worry, ive ended it from the post just above yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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there was no chelsea player near him at hte time. kos made the fuck up unchallaegned hence why mannone should have called itQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
'corridor of uncertainty' Bloody Geoffrey Boycott's on here now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
he does that everytime, he panics whenever we have a set piece...the stupid prik cost us the carling cup and he always has fuck ups in himQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
You don't need to apportion blame for every single event. It was swerving in at pace. Koscielny did his best to divert it away but could not get a decisive touch. It happens! As for blaming Mannone - for fuck's sake. Look at the goal. How is someone expected to 'call' for a ball travelling at that speed with the defender halfway committed to going for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
There were two Chelsea players to the left of Koscielny (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos...oal-v-arsenal/), if he leaves it there's a chance they get on the end of the cross. Tbh I'm not really blaming Koscielny either for that goal, because in that split second there's real uncertainty about what to do, and there's hardly any time to tell the defender what to do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Torres and JT were behind Kos. Not fully Kos's fault, the ball should have been dealt with a lot earlier (the same with first goal). Why on earth it always reach our last defenders.. I dont know. Hence why I said many our players have no gut to defend our box, they always wait for their CBs to clear things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
If this would be manu, their midfield players would have head the ball out before it even reach the last defender. :coffee:
:lol: it's the best way of describing it. Like edging Mcgrath to the slips.Quote:
Originally Posted by kas