Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

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10-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

and what happens if arteta did that himself? which he could have done to make up for giving away the penalty to fulham. you are using a pointless argument to slate giroud when you don't know the facts of what happened and ignoring the chance that what you said giroud should do was done by arteta himself

I'm not slating Giroud or Arteta as such. I'm saying we don't seem to have any appreciation of the potentially big moments in a game any more, we don't know how to take advantage, sense turning points, grab those precious few crumbs when they come along. The whole club has no football soul. Everyone on that pitch should have immediately sensed it was a potentially huge moment for the new striker that we are going to need to rely on through the coming months. It wasn't that we failed, the problem is we didn't even try. I didn't see the game, conceding 3 at home means we must have been shit at the back. Scoring 3 must mean we weren't as hopeless as usual in attack. But whole seasons can turn on a few moments, this seems like one of them and it seems like another self inflicted wound. If the board isn't killing us with greed or the manager killing us with his bizarre decision making it's the players killing us with their lack of heart and brains on the pitch. It's a fuck up from top to bottom.
10-11-2012, 05:29 PM
jelgoon

I think youre just wrong - as I said, plenty of midfielders take penalties. Im sure I saw Arteta score some for Everton.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Lampard scores a hatful of goals in open play, he's not far off being a striker....he's also got a proven record.

Totally different scenario.
10-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Defence is sh*t everyone knows that, it has been for years and will always be under Wenger.....nothing we can do about that.

But to pass up a chance to win the game when on a hattrick, that's another kick in the face.

oh that's alright then. defence is shit, so our target should be to have players that can score 4/5 a game. what are you talking about you madman. if the team (including midfield) hadn't of dropped our two goal lead again, giroud wouldn't even be mentioned apart from his two goals.

but you jump onto a guy who without, we wouldn't even have a point. that's your main concern, seriously?
10-11-2012, 05:30 PM
Dennis Bendtner

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

This is true.

Another 2 goal lead blown and the penalty would only have papered over the cracks had it been scored. We just haven't made any progress at all, I don't understand what is going on and how we always seem to end up back to square one. I don't even think we're any better than our 4th place rivals, it's just down to who's going to fuck up the least.

Well exactly. Scaling 90 minutes of on-and-off lunacy down to one kick at the end and going on about it is just lame. Sometimes you score penalties, sometimes you don't. It's not a lottery but it's hardly a sure-shot goal? What the game does highlight is how those saying a point at Schalke was a good result, in spite of it exhibiting the same frailty that was showcased again in the next game. Conceding two-goal leads shouldn't be the norm!
10-11-2012, 05:30 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

no its not a different scenario. you said strikers are paid to score goals, and scoring from 12 yards is their skill set. yet now you say because lampard score some himself, he can take penalties ebcause he could be a striker. hes a midfielder, drogba a striker, yet midfielder took penalties. you have just shifted the goal posts to suit your arguement giroud is a bottler

Er...yes it is....how many goals has Lampard scored? He's practically a striker.

I don't think strikers should take them, however if you have a player who scores goals from open play and has a proven record of scoring penalties that's ok as well.
10-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

oh that's alright then. defence is shit, so our target should be to have players that can score 4/5 a game. what are you talking about you madman. if the team (including midfield) hadn't of dropped our two goal lead again, giroud wouldn't even be mentioned apart from his two goals.

but you jump onto a guy who without, we wouldn't even have a point. that's your main concern, seriously?

My main concern is the clown at the helm, make no mistake.

I also think most of the players he's bought are sh*t.
10-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Joker

OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe

16 - This is Arsenal's worst start to a league season since 1982-83 when they had only 14 points after 11 games. Unprofitable.

Very impressive considering the start we had last year.

Just when you think we can't sink any lower, we do.
10-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Er...yes it is....how many goals has Lampard scored? He's practically a striker.

I don't think strikers should take them, however if you have a player who scores goals from open play and has a proven record of scoring penalties that's ok as well.

so why the fuck are you aruging giroud is a bottle then?
10-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Özil's Panoramic View

People just couldn't resist finding a way to throw a jab at AW, right?

GW posters :bow:
10-11-2012, 05:32 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

I think youre just wrong - as I said, plenty of midfielders take penalties. Im sure I saw Arteta score some for Everton.

True but generally they score goals from open play. They also usually have bottle....don't think we have any players with bottle and thus a striker should take them.
10-11-2012, 05:33 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

so why the fuck are you aruging giroud is a bottle then?

That was suppose to say I do not don't.
10-11-2012, 05:33 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

My main concern is the clown at the helm, make no mistake.

I also think most of the players he's bought are sh*t.

so let's talk about the man who scored two goals to keep us in the game, rather than the lack of organisation in our defence again. that makes sense.
10-11-2012, 05:33 PM
Dennis Bendtner

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

Something is very wrong with our marking system, and until we address it, we'll continue to prove just how misleading stats can be.

There is nothing wrong with the marking system. It's the players carrying it out. I think today it was Sagna with the error for the first.
10-11-2012, 05:34 PM
jelgoon

AN Everton mate of mine just said that Arteta used to take them for EVerton. So there's not much to discuss here then.We wanted to win the game and Arteta persumably has taken more than Giroud. End of discussion
10-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

People just couldn't resist finding a way to throw a jab at AW, right?

GW posters :bow:

He's a sh*t manager at the end of the day, it's his team with is players. He's been trying to rebuild for 7 years and it's noone else's fault the defenders can't defend, the team has no leaders and no bottle and we are where we are.
10-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

hold on, our dodgy defence once again costs us the points and the first and main talking point is about a player that scored two vital goals for us? if all you can see as a fan is complete and utter negativity then there is no point watching. why would you? the issue of him taking a penalty is on the list of concerns but nowhere near the top.

why were we even in that position in the first place, because of giroud? we lose a two nil lead because of our striker? why analyse a game back to front?

Exactly. It was the same last week with the Schalke game. Instead of talking about throwing away a lead, we're talking about Walcott's last chance on goal.

The last minute goals can't disguise the fact that we're terrible at defending and that needs sorting out. That's the main issue we have right now.
10-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

so let's talk about the man who scored two goals to keep us in the game, rather than the lack of organisation in our defence again. that makes sense.

Do we still even bother debating the shit defence? It's just a given isn't it? Years of watching the same crap and nothing is done about it.
10-11-2012, 05:35 PM
RomfordPele

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

People just couldn't resist finding a way to throw a jab at AW, right?

GW posters :bow:

Err, we just shipped three goals at home after wenger said we shouldn't worry about our defence.

Think there are plenty of reasons to jab wenger tbh.
10-11-2012, 05:36 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

oh that's alright then. defence is shit, so our target should be to have players that can score 4/5 a game. what are you talking about you madman. if the team (including midfield) hadn't of dropped our two goal lead again, giroud wouldn't even be mentioned apart from his two goals.

but you jump onto a guy who without, we wouldn't even have a point. that's your main concern, seriously?

tbf i can see where he's coming from

dont get me wrong, the defence should be the main concern, but we've just come off a season where we let 49 goals in so the fact we're not getting tonked 3-1 every week makes us automatically assume its improved. its hasnt. we improved at the start of the season im not sure what's going on now.

but maybe defensive resilience comes from confidence in attack? i mean we knew we had van persie to bail us out towards the end of last season even if we went behind in games. so the defence was more comfortable and less edgy. but now we have no-one and we know everytime we let in a goal we're pretty much fucked.

thats the only logical assumption i can make from his post.
10-11-2012, 05:37 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

so let's talk about the man who scored two goals to keep us in the game, rather than the lack of organisation in our defence again. that makes sense.

So he scored two goals, bout time he made up for his dogshite start to his career missing sitters left right and centre, I'm not about to praise him for one game when he goes around missing matchwinning chances almost every game. He did Ok today, doesn't change the fact he should have had the guts to step forward and take the penalty, noone would have argued as he was on a hattrick.

As for the defence, what is there to say? Zonal marking doesn't work, there's no discipline in the team, players make mistakes regularly, they don't play as a unit....they're sh*te.

Yes this is all down to Wenger, but the problems in the team are everywhere to be honest, not just in defence....the lack of leaders and characters is just as much of an issue.
10-11-2012, 05:37 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Exactly. It was the same last week with the Schalke game. Instead of talking about throwing away a lead, we're talking about Walcott's last chance on goal.

The last minute goals can't disguise the fact that we're terrible at defending and that needs sorting out. That's the main issue we have right now.

That was another huge moment blown, like Bendtner's miss against Barca. These are the moments that make the difference in what is otherwise tight competition. Right there Walcott could have banged that in the net and said fucking pay me! But instead he says pay me and then shows precisely why he's not worth it. We have big name players who are small time in reality. Whether that's the manager's fault, the players' faults or a mix of both all I know is we are small time.
10-11-2012, 05:38 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Do we still even bother debating the shit defence? It's just a given isn't it? Years of watching the same crap and nothing is done about it.

there is no debate, it was shit today. sure, it's been shit for years but why would a first reaction on leaving a game like that be 'where was giroud'? if i was walking out at full time i'd be fuming at our back 6 and at arteta for not putting away the chance. if the aim is to score 4/5 a game and then have a go at strikers not doing so, then people really are losing the plot.
10-11-2012, 05:38 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Do we still even bother debating the shit defence? It's just a given isn't it? Years of watching the same crap and nothing is done about it.

Pretty much, we're never going to defend well...Wenger doesn't know the meaning of defence. At least in the past he had a competent attack to bail him out.
10-11-2012, 05:38 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

So he scored two goals, bout time he made up for his dogshite start to his career missing sitters left right and centre, I'm not about to praise him for one game when he goes around missing matchwinning chances almost every game. He did Ok today, doesn't change the fact he should have had the guts to step forward and take the penalty, noone would have argued as he was on a hattrick.

wow ok. you're nuts.
10-11-2012, 05:40 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Do we still even bother debating the shit defence? It's just a given isn't it? Years of watching the same crap and nothing is done about it.

this

its pointless. we could go 10 games without letting in a goal but we'd still have a goal difference of -89 at the end of the season.
10-11-2012, 05:41 PM
Ollie the Optimist

right wenger has confirmed we have a list of penalty takers, arteta is number 1, cazorla is number 2. so that puts that argument to bed
10-11-2012, 05:41 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

That was another huge moment blown, like Bendtner's miss against Barca. These are the moments that make the difference in what is otherwise tight competition. Right there Walcott could have banged that in the net and said fucking pay me! But instead he says pay me and then shows precisely why he's not worth it. We have big name players who are small time in reality. Whether that's the manager's fault, the players' faults or a mix of both all I know is we are small time.

Totally agree, I'm not absolving the defence of blame, far from it as their dogshite and awful....but at the same time when you get a chance to win a game it's shocking that we don't have players who will stand up and be counted and that is a problem in itself.

He could have bailed out his teammates and been the hero, instead he took the cowards way out and passed the buck. You'll never achieve anything if players won't take the responsiblity that should fall upon them.
10-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Marc Overmars

We shouldn't need 4 goals to win at home and against Fulham. They're a #decent side but there are no excuses for letting a 2 goal lead slip. This game should have been formality once Podolski scored but we just fell into that familar lull, pretending to be in control because we're completing several sideways passes, when the reality is that we can't be bothered to go for kill.
10-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Özim

Bar a handful of players this squad is sh*t it really is. We need a massive clearout from top to bottom.
10-11-2012, 05:43 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

That was another huge moment blown, like Bendtner's miss against Barca. These are the moments that make the difference in what is otherwise tight competition. Right there Walcott could have banged that in the net and said fucking pay me! But instead he says pay me and then shows precisely why he's not worth it. We have big name players who are small time in reality. Whether that's the manager's fault, the players' faults or a mix of both all I know is we are small time.

These aren't tight games. They shouldn't be anyway. It's bad defending that's costing us. When you go two goals up you should be able to hold the lead.
10-11-2012, 05:43 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

right wenger has confirmed we have a list of penalty takers, arteta is number 1, cazorla is number 2. so that puts that argument to bed

Where did you find that BS?

If Podolski isn't a penalty taker Wenger should be sacked on the spot tbh.
10-11-2012, 05:44 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Where did you find that BS?

from arsenal.com twitter page on his press conference
10-11-2012, 05:45 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

there is no debate, it was shit today. sure, it's been shit for years but why would a first reaction on leaving a game like that be 'where was giroud'? if i was walking out at full time i'd be fuming at our back 6 and at arteta for not putting away the chance. if the aim is to score 4/5 a game and then have a go at strikers not doing so, then people really are losing the plot.

Because we've pinned everything on Giroud being a success up top this season. The whole team could have benefited from him stepping up and smashing that hat trick in. His confidence would be sky high for the NLD, we would have 3 points in the bag because of a grandstand performance from him personally. The questions would be gone. Sure he could have missed too. But that's the point, we want to see what we have up there. Is he something worth pinning a hope to or just another so-so player who will get lost in this bullshit we call a season. You have to seize these moments, it's crazy to let them pass. Succeed, fail, but either way at least try. If the decision was not in his hands then whoever took the decision needs to be sat down to have football explained to them again from scratch. It's supposed to be about the highs and lows, the heroes and the also-rans, that's where the entertainment comes from and the meaningful talking points. Our football is like our financial policy - fucking stale and fucking boring and a million miles from what football should be.
10-11-2012, 05:45 PM
Dennis Bendtner

Taking penalties from the bench, interesting.
10-11-2012, 05:45 PM
Globalgunner

GWrs cast your memories to a few seasons back. Who was our most dependable penalty taker. Yes it was the least offensive player in the team. The one who never scores from open play Lauren. Basically penalty taking is not a skill. It is a mindset. Right now we have no characters in the team. Wenger likes it that way.
10-11-2012, 05:46 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Because we've pinned everything on Giroud being a success up top this season. The whole team could have benefited from him stepping up and smashing that hat trick in. His confidence would be sky high for the NLD, we would have 3 points in the bag because of a grandstand performance from him personally. The questions would be gone. Sure he could have missed too. But that's the point, we want to see what we have up there. Is he something worth pinning a hope to or just another so-so player who will get lost in this bullshit we call a season. You have to seize these moments, it's crazy to let them pass. Succeed, fail, but either way at least try. If the decision was not in his hands then whoever took the decision needs to be sat down to have football explained to them again from scratch. It's supposed to be about the highs and lows, the heroes and the also-rans, that's where the entertainment comes from and the meaningful talking points. Our football is like our financial policy - fucking stale and fucking boring and a million miles from what football should be.

:goodpost:
10-11-2012, 05:46 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Where did you find that BS?

If Podolski isn't a penalty taker Wenger should be sacked on the spot tbh.

:lol: we seem to be saying that every week

wenger :bow:

staying in a job even though he should be sacked 4 times a month :bow:
10-11-2012, 05:47 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

Taking penalties from the bench, interesting.

:unsure: He plays every game so it's highly likely he'd get a fair few chances. Today he as off sure but I was referring to be the general penalty taker not today's incident.
10-11-2012, 05:47 PM
jelgoon

And we should start with Diaby. Sick of listening to Wenger telling us hes like a new player ever teim he comes back for 20 minutes. He's now out til at least January with a muscle injury. Just sell him or give him away or cancel his contract and get him the insurance money.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Bar a handful of players this squad is sh*t it really is. We need a massive clearout from top to bottom.
10-11-2012, 05:47 PM
RomfordPele

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

this

its pointless.

Yep. As will we be soon if we stick with the mad prof.

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